Title: 131 abarth. how many is there? Post by: djape1977 on December 14, 2009, 09:26:38 PM i keep coming across diferent numbers on the net, so i guess this is the right place to ask:
how many abarth cars were actually produced and in wich versions? there was 131 abarth stradale - 400 or ??? 131 abarth corsa - 40, 50 or??? 131 volumetrico 4door - 100 or ??? 131 racing volumetrico - ??? Title: Re: 131 abarth. how many is there? Post by: bellamacchina on December 14, 2009, 09:36:09 PM Look for the Volumetrico info in the 131 story section, there you will have the answer you need for that part. The 131 Abarth guys will explain you the other part.
Title: Re: 131 abarth. how many is there? Post by: simon131 on December 15, 2009, 07:47:19 AM As far as I know at the moment based upon literature I have read and possess (and I'm happy to be corrected upon seeing proof) the following is understood to be the case. ;)
The Fiat Abarth 131 Rally was homologated for the 1976 season, so (according to Graham Robson's book) the full 400 cars were built before the end of 1975. There is some conjecture regarding the exact number of cars built as GR states 'exactly 400' were constructed and another source states 406, either way at least 400 cars were built to satisfy the regulations. Of this 400 some 50 were taken and turned into full blooded Group 4 racers, however the exact number of race cars is very difficult (if not impossible!) to prove as on at least one occassion when a shell was damaged beyond repair another shell was given the damaged car's chassis and registration plates, despite it being effectively a completely new car ::) The remaining 350 (or 356) cars were then sold through the Italian Fiat dealer network, with 'worthy' dealerships being asked to sell them on. The problem was that they were extremely specialist cars (and very expensive!) and few sold initially, and it is rumoured that some dealers still had them unsold in their show rooms in 1980, almost 5 years after they were first marketted. Later on in the models racing career some Group 4 cars were modified to look like the 1978 'facelifted' production cars, but in reality all that happened was that the survivors of the original 50 Group 4 were fitted with the later rear panel and lights configuration. This is bourne out by Mick Wood's Group 4, (which I have seen very close up!) which appears to be a 'Series 2' shell yet it carries a much earlier Series 1 chassis number. Hope the above helps. 8) Title: Re: 131 abarth. how many is there? Post by: Walezy on December 15, 2009, 09:16:47 AM THis is what i found on www.131abarth.com (http://www.131abarth.com)
g.4 REGISTRATION PLATES Im trying to find out how many 131 g.4 cars was built.. Thanks to Mike Hollander,FIAT 131 mirafiori Club Holland!!! We had own lists, and when we put them together.... K ?4414 TO OlioFiat K 95989 TO G 3 (?) ? OlioFiat ? 1976 M 10453 MI Valtaharju M 16352 MI Caranci/Gorla Esci 2 Trofeo Cariplo 1981 N 19169 TO Alen/Kivimaki OlioFiat 1976 N 72918 TO Alen/Kivimaki OlioFiat Rally du Maroc 1976 1977 N 72919 TO Verini/Russo OlioFiat Rally du Maroc 1976 N 72920 TO Bachelli/Rossetti OlioFiat Rally du Maroc 1976 N 92968 TO Lampinen/ 1977 Salonen/Markkula Alitalia Rally de Quebec 1977 Salonen/Markkula RAC 1977 Alen/Kivim?ki 1977 M?kinen/Salonen Hankiralli 1977 M?kinen/Salonen Sveitsin ralli 1977 M?kinen/Liddon Rally Sweden 1977 N 92969 TO Verini/Russo OlioFiat Rally San Remo 1976 N 92970 TO Lampinen/Andreasson Acropolis 1977 Bachelli/Rossetti OlioFiat Rally San Remo 1976 N 92971 TO Bachelli/Rossetti OlioFiat RAC 1976 Mouton/Conconi FiatFrance Eminence Tour Auto 1978 Mouton/Conconi FiatFrance Tour de Corse 1978 Andruet/Delferrier Acropolis 1977 N 92972 TO Lampinen/Andreason OlioFiat Rally Monte Carlo 1977 Lampinen/Andreasson OlioFiat Rally Sweden 1977 Lampinen/Andreasson OlioFiat New Zealand 1977 N 92976 TO Mullet San Remo 1976 RAC 1976 N 94410 TO Alen/Kivimaki OlioFiat Rally San Remo 1976 N 94414 TO Alen/Kivimaki OlioFiat 1000 Meren Rally 1976 Alen/Kivimaki Rally Sweden 1977 Alen/Kivimaki Helsinki ralli 1976 Alen/Kivimaki Pohjola ralli 1976 IG 7924 Alen/Kivim?ki New Zealand 1977 N 94415 TO Coleman/ Chequered 1977 M?kinen/Liddon Rally of 1000 lakes 1977 M?kinen/Liddon Rally du Quebec 1977 M?kinen/Liddon RAC 1977 M?kinen/Liddon Marlboro arctic arlly 1977 Gr?nholm 1978 Gr?nholm 1980 Toivonen/Paajanen Rally of thousand lakes 1979 Sundstr?m 1981 Alen/Kivimaki OlioFiat RAC 1976 Alen/Kivimaki 1978 Alen/Kivimaki 1979 Salonen 1980 Aho/Wolff Rally of 1000 Lakes 1981 Valtaharju/Anttila Rally of 1000 Lakes 1978 This car was totally destroyed in training crash, both drivers were killed; Ulf Gr?nholm and Bob Rehnstr?m P 06217 TO Verini/Russo RAC 1977 Alen/Kivimaki 1978 Julienne/Julienne Rally of 1000 lakes 1978 P 09981 TO Andruet/Biche FiatFrance Rally Monte Carlo 1977 Cambiaghi/Sanfront Rally San Remo 1976 Verini/Russo RAC 1976 P 14396 TO Rohrl/Geistdorfer 1979 P 14398 TO Alen/Kivimaki OlioFiat RAC Rally 1977 Alen/Kivimaki OlioFiat 1000 Meren Rally 1977 Alen/Kivim?ki OlioFiat Acropolis 1977 Alen/Kivim?ki OlioFiat Monte Carlo 1977 Alen/Kivim?ki RAC Rally 1977 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Minolta 1979 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Metz Rally 1979 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Minolta Hunsruck Rally 1979 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Minolta Bayerwald Rally 1979 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Vsolio Hessen Rally 1980 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Vsolio Hunsruck Rally 1980 Cerrato/Guizzardo P 21499 TO IG 7925 Bachelli/Rossetti New Zealand 1977 P 35972 TO Salonen Rohrl/Geistdorfer Rally du Quebec 1977 P 35973 TO Alen/Kivimaki Rally du Quebec 1977 Bachelli/Rossetti Monte Carlo 1977 Bachelli/Rossetti Acropolis 1977 P 35974 TO Verini/Russo OlioFiat Monte Carlo 1977 Verini/Russo Acropolis 1977 Lampinen/Andreasson Rally du Quebec 1977 Lampinen/Andreasson RAC 1977 Lampinen/fMarkkanen Rally of 1000 lakes 1978 Salonen/ 1978 Gronholm/ 1978 Gronholm/Rehnstr?m Rally of 1000 Lakes 1979 P 35975 TO Alen/Kivim?ki Rally du Quebec 1978 Alen/Kivimaki Marlboro Rally Zweden 1979 Alen/Kivimaki Alitalia 1000 Meren Rally 1979 Alen/Kivimaki Alitalia Rally Portugal 1978 Rohrl/Geistdorfer FIAT UK RAC Rally 1979 Bettega/Bernacchini Rally San Remo 1980 Vudafieri/Bernachini Rally Il Ciocco 1981 Carello/Rancati P 35976 TO Alen/Kivimaki Sveitsin rally 1977 Valtaharju/Anttila Rally of 1000 lakes 1977 Bachelli/Rossetti Rally Portugal 1977 P 35977 TO Alen/Kivimaki OlioFiat Rally Portugal 1977 Salonen/Markkula 1000 Meren Rally 1977 Salonen/Kynsilehto Pohjola rally 1977 Salonen Helsinki rally Salonen Teboil rally Vatanen/Krogell L?nsirannikko rally 1977 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Alitalia 1979 ? R 6 Acropolis Rally 1982 ? R 6 Rally San Remo 1982 Noberasco/Cianci Japanese car, now restoring in Italy P 43573 TO Salonen/Markkula Marlboro arctic rally 1977 Salonen/Markkula Nurmij?rvi rally 1977 Salonen/Markkula Hankiralli 1977 Salonen/Markkula Sveitsin ralli 1977 Vatanen/Krogell Rally of 1000 lakes 1977 P 43877 TO Alen/Kivimaki P 51473 TO Mouton/Conconi FiatFrance Rally Monte Carlo 1979 Andruet/Delferrier Rally Portugal 1977 Vincent/Calvier Tour de Corse 1977 P 86530 TO Rohrl/Geistdorfer P 88538 TO Alen/Kivimaki 1000 Meren Rally 1978 R 19728 TO Darniche/Mahe OlioFiat Tour de Corse 1977 Darniche/Mahe Alitalia Rally Monte Carlo 1978 R?hrl/Pitz Rally San Remo 1977 R 19729 TO Andruet/Delferrier FiatFrance Rally San Remo 1977 Andruet/Delferrier Tour de Corse 1977 Andruet/ FiatFrance Rally Monte Carlo 1978 Andruet/Biche FiatFrance Tour de Corse 1978 Andruet/ FiatFrance Rally Monte Carlo 1979 Andruet/Biche FiatFrance Rally Monte Carlo 1980 R 19730 TO Darniche/Mahe Alitalia Rally Monte Carlo 1978 Verini/Scabini Rally San Remo 1978 Darniche/Mahe Alitalia Tour de Corse 1978 Alen/Kivimaki Alitalia Rally Monte Carlo 1979 Alen/Kivimaki Vsolio Rally Monte Carlo 1980 Verini/Russo Tour de Corse 1977 R 19731 TO Bachelli/Rossetti Rally San Remo 1977 Bachelli/Scabini Tour de Corse 1977 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Alitalia Rally Monte Carlo 1978 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Rally San Remo 1978 R 35975 TO G 21 Alen/Kivimaki Alitalia Rally Portugal 1978 Vudafieri/Bernacchini Jolli Club Rally il Ciocco 1981 R 37173 TO Lampinen Bachelli/Rossetti RAC 1977 Verini 1978 R 62948 TO Alen/Kivimaki Alitalia ? Verini/Bernacchini Alitalia 1978 This car is at Italy in very good condition. R 88536 TO Salonen/Nyman Rally of 1000 Lakes 1978 Munari 1978 R 88537 TO R?hrl 1978 R 88538 TO Munari/Manucco Alitalia Acropolis Rally 1978 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Alitalia Criterium de Qeubec 1978 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Alitalia RAC Rally 1978 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Alitalia Rally San Remo ? 1979 Waldegaard/ Vsolio Rally Monte Carlo 1980 Waldegaard/ Vsolio Rally Sweden 1980 Alen/Kivimaki Salora 1000 Meren Rally 1980 R 88539 TO Munari/Manucco Alitalia Corsica 1978 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Alitalia Rally Monte Carlo 1979 Bettega Alitalia Sandegna 1979 Bettega Alitalia Lana (Biella) 1979 Bettega/Vudafieri Alitalia Rally 4 Regioni 1980 Vudafieri/Bernacchini Sardegna 1980 Vudafieri/Bernacchini Elba 1980 Vudafieri/Bernacchini 4 Regioni 1980 Vudafieri/Bernacchini Ciocco 1980 Vudafieri/Bernacchini Collinen Romagna 1980 Cerrato Monte Carlo 1981 This car is at Japan now. R 92415 TO Alen/Kivimaki 1978 R 92448 TO Rohrl/Geistdorfer Alitalia Safari Rally 1979 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Vsolio Rally Portugal 1980 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Vsolio Acropolis Rally 1980 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Vsolio Rally Codasur 1980 Alen/Kivimaki Rally of thousand lakes 1981 Botto/Asteggiano Rally Coppa Liburna 1983 R 92449 TO Alen/Kivimaki ? Vsolio Alen/Kivimaki Alitalia Safari Rally 1979 Alen/Kivimaki Vsolio Acropolis Rally 1980 Munari/Jaubert Am.jeans Rally Bandama 1980 R 92450 TO Mouton/Conconi FiatFrance Rally Monte Carlo 1980 Mouton Tour de Corse 1980 R 92451 TO Alen/Kivimaki Alitalia Acropolis Rally 1978 Alen/Kivimaki Alitalia 1000 Meren Rally 1978 R 92452 TO Alen/Kivimaki Alitalia Rohrl/Geistdorfer Vsolio Rally Sweden 1980 Reutemann Rally Codasur 1980 Bettega/Perissinott Vsolio Acropolis Rally 1981 Zanussi/Bernacchini Totip Rally Elba 1982 Zanussi rally called "RALLY" in Spain 1982 R 92453 TO Rohrl/Geistdorfer Alitalia 1979 Alen/Kivimaki Alitalia rally San Remo 1979 R 94415 TO Alen/Kivimaki Arctic Rally 1980 T 92359 TO Rohrl/Geistdorfer Vsolio Rally Monte Carlo 1980 T 93356 TO U 48219 TO Rohrl/Geistdorfer Vsolio Tour de Corse 1980 Alen/Kivimaki Vsolio Rally Monte Carlo 1981 V 33681 TO Rohrl/Geistdorfer Jolly Club Rally San Remo 1980 Bettega/Bernacchi MS Tour de Corse 1980 V 39606 TO G 35 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Vsolio Alen/Kivimaki Vsolio Rally Portugal 1981 Vudafieri/Bernacchini Vsolio Halkidikis Rally 1981 This is in at Australia in good condition W 24409 MI Vadufieri/Manucci Broms car Targa Florio Rally 1979 Vanni Fusaro Mitropa Cup 1978 W 24411 MI Manucci/ Broms car Rally San Remo ? W 24430 MI Fassina/Mannini Rally San Remo 1977 314329 PD Rombi Corse Lucky/Pons Costa Smeralda 1979 514333 PD Lucky/Pons Vsolio 10 Colline di Romagna 1980 514333 PD ? Alen/Kivimaki Vsolio Rally San Remo 1980 364840 VI Rombi Corse 457 FZ Didi/Lux OlioFiat Hunsruck Rally 1977 DJL 928 Didi/Pauly Carling BL Boucles de Spa 1979 Didi/Pauly Vsolio Kempenrally 1981 IG 7924 N 94414 TO Alen/Kivim?ki OlioFiat New Zealand 1977 IG 7925 P 21499 TO Bachelli/Rossetti OlioFiat New Zealand 1977 IG 7951 N 92972 TO Lampinen/Andreasson New Zealand 1977 JX 2163 Rohrl/Geistdorfer Vsolio New Zealand Rally 1980 Cambiaghi/Sanfront OlioFiat Rally 4 Regioni 1976 KTF 518 Collinge/Lyall GE 305488 Swiss Lier/Cortay Monte Carlo 1978 TI 147234 Swiss Krattiger/Daminelli Monte Carlo 1982 P 97972 TO Diesel 1977 N 84447 TO Stradale B 2525 CV SEAT Zanini/Petisco B 2528 CV Seat Zanini/Petisco Poland 1979 B 9440 R2 SEAT Canellas Poland 1978 Title: Re: 131 abarth. how many is there? Post by: simon131 on December 15, 2009, 09:52:47 AM As I said above, some registrations lived on more than one car.
Also, the site mentioned in the main hasn't been updated for ages. The years shown refer to the years the cars competed not the years they were manufactured. 8) Incidentally, although some competition cars were badged as SEAT for the Spanish races they were infact Fiat Abarth Works cars with the SEAT badges added to attract local sales. Whatever happened to the Fiat 131mirafiori Club Holland? ??? Title: Re: 131 abarth. how many is there? Post by: mirafioriman on December 15, 2009, 05:26:21 PM I think that club folded Simon. A shame as it was a good website that I liked to visit :)
Now we have this site though so all is not bad ;) Title: Re: 131 abarth. how many is there? Post by: hammerbeirne on December 15, 2009, 07:22:37 PM As far as I know at the moment based upon literature I have read and possess (and I'm happy to be corrected upon seeing proof) the following is understood to be the case. ;) That book of graham robson is a good book on 131 abarthThe Fiat Abarth 131 Rally was homologated for the 1976 season, so (according to Graham Robson's book) the full 400 cars were built before the end of 1975. There is some conjecture regarding the exact number of cars built as GR states 'exactly 400' were constructed and another source states 406, either way at least 400 cars were built to satisfy the regulations. Of this 400 some 50 were taken and turned into full blooded Group 4 racers, however the exact number of race cars is very difficult (if not impossible!) to prove as on at least one occassion when a shell was damaged beyond repair another shell was given the damaged car's chassis and registration plates, despite it being effectively a completely new car ::) The remaining 350 (or 356) cars were then sold through the Italian Fiat dealer network, with 'worthy' dealerships being asked to sell them on. The problem was that they were extremely specialist cars (and very expensive!) and few sold initially, and it is rumoured that some dealers still had them unsold in their show rooms in 1980, almost 5 years after they were first marketted. Later on in the models racing career some Group 4 cars were modified to look like the 1978 'facelifted' production cars, but in reality all that happened was that the survivors of the original 50 Group 4 were fitted with the later rear panel and lights configuration. This is bourne out by Mick Wood's Group 4, (which I have seen very close up!) which appears to be a 'Series 2' shell yet it carries a much earlier Series 1 chassis number. Hope the above helps. 8) Title: Re: 131 abarth. how many is there? Post by: kev131 on December 15, 2009, 07:52:34 PM I think that club folded Simon. A shame as it was a good website that I liked to visit :) Now we have this site though so all is not bad ;) With all due respect to the Dutch site, not much changed over time (at least that I could see) while this forum is quite dynamic and active in comparison ...in my opinion...even it does stray off 131s from time to time! ;) Title: Re: 131 abarth. how many is there? Post by: bellamacchina on December 15, 2009, 09:36:14 PM I think that club don't excist for a longer time. In the mid 90s I was a member but by then there was already a very small 131 community here in Holland. With 2 members from the 1st hour I still have contact. One owns still a 131 Panorama, the other one don't own 131's anymore. He had really a lot but that's history. There were words and the group fell apart in 2 pieces. One guy took it over alone and I think he had the site. Quite a period he was active. I know he still has some 131's, quite probably a Abarth Stradale but we don't have contact. The 131 community in Holland is very silent but I have to say that we also don't have an active Fiat club. That is still quite amateuristic in my opinion. While when looking at the Alfa club, that one is brilliantly organised. Nothing wrong to the persons who do their best and enjoy their cars but the Fiat collective is not big here in Holland. And the 131 community near zero. That's why I am here at this great forum ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 131 abarth. how many is there? Post by: mirafioriman on December 15, 2009, 09:49:10 PM If there are more 131 owners in Holland it is a shame that they are not on this site.
Just shows how many 131s have survived the dreaded rust bug! Title: Re: 131 abarth. how many is there? Post by: mirafiori76 on October 01, 2012, 08:55:24 PM I know this is a topic from long ago, but i just came by... That's me you guys were talking about. :o
To make a small add, you wouldn't possibly imagine what happened back in the mid 90's. There were the three of us. We had so many differences. In the end i did quit. Formed my own community and long after the first bled to death, mine was still alive. However, damage was already done and not many 131/132 enthousiasts survived. Now a handfull 131 owners are left here in Holland. I know of three; Albert, Henk and myself. Sure there are more owners but they keep a low profile. Thought i had to share this with you :-\ Title: Re: 131 abarth. how many is there? Post by: kev131 on October 01, 2012, 09:44:36 PM When I first discovered the internet (around 2001) the first thing I searched for was Fiat 131 Sport...and to my delight found the Dutch site. A bit like the wonder with which some new members arrive here ....I was similarly wonder struck to find other people sufficiently interested in 131s and 132s to actually set up a club and a website.
Looking throuigh the gallery was great but after repeat visits there didn't seem to be much happening...which was a shame and possibly led to it's end. Like Dave said, if there are other 131 fans in Holland it would be great to get them involved. :) Title: Re: 131 abarth. how many is there? Post by: mirafiori76 on October 01, 2012, 09:50:24 PM Kevin,
First, and i forget to mention it, this site wasn't my doing. I ran a club without the use of any internet stuff. This site was done by one of the two others. Just to hassle me, i'm affraid. Yes, it went that far :-\ And since there already was one 131-site i couldn't get another airborne. Like you say, nothing happened much and i fear that was the demise of interest for the remaining 131 enthousiasts. Anyway, that's long in the past and nowadays there's another site for us mirafiori freaks ::) I love spending my time here and sharing my passion with all the others. Nuff said. ;) |