131 abarth. how many is there?

[djape1977]

i keep coming across diferent numbers on the net, so i guess this is the right place to ask:
how many abarth cars were actually produced and in wich versions?

there was
131 abarth stradale - 400 or
131 abarth corsa - 40, 50 or???
131 volumetrico 4door - 100 or
131 racing volumetrico -

[bellamacchina]

Look for the Volumetrico info in the 131 story section, there you will have the answer you need for that part. The 131 Abarth guys will explain you the other part.

[simon131]

As far as I know at the moment based upon literature I have read and possess (and I'm happy to be corrected upon seeing proof) the following is understood to be the case.

The Fiat Abarth 131 Rally was homologated for the 1976 season, so (according to Graham Robson's book) the full 400 cars were built before the end of 1975. There is some conjecture regarding the exact number of cars built as GR states 'exactly 400' were constructed and another source states 406, either way at least 400 cars were built to satisfy the regulations.

Of this 400 some 50 were taken and turned into full blooded Group 4 racers, however the exact number of race cars is very difficult (if not impossible!) to prove as on at least one occassion when a shell was damaged beyond repair another shell was given the damaged car's chassis and registration plates, despite it being effectively a completely new car

The remaining 350 (or 356) cars were then sold through the Italian Fiat dealer network, with 'worthy' dealerships being asked to sell them on. The problem was that they were extremely specialist cars (and very expensive!) and few sold initially, and it is rumoured that some dealers still had them unsold in their show rooms in 1980, almost 5 years after they were first marketted.

Later on in the models racing career some Group 4 cars were modified to look like the 1978 'facelifted' production cars, but in reality all that happened was that the survivors of the original 50 Group 4 were fitted with the later rear panel and lights configuration. This is bourne out by Mick Wood's Group 4, (which I have seen very close up!) which appears to be a 'Series 2' shell yet it carries a much earlier Series 1 chassis number.

Hope the above helps.

[Walezy]

THis is what i found on www.131abarth.com

g.4 REGISTRATION PLATES

Im trying to find out how many 131 g.4 cars was built..

Thanks to Mike Hollander,FIAT 131 mirafiori Club Holland!!! We had own lists, and when we put them together....
K ?4414 TO             OlioFiat             
K 95989 TO    G 3 (?)    ?       OlioFiat          ?    1976
M 10453 MI       Valtaharju                   
M 16352 MI       Caranci/Gorla    Esci    2 Trofeo Cariplo       1981
N 19169 TO       Alen/Kivimaki    OlioFiat             1976
N 72918 TO       Alen/Kivimaki    OlioFiat    Rally du Maroc       1976
                           1977
N 72919 TO       Verini/Russo    OlioFiat    Rally du Maroc       1976
N 72920 TO       Bachelli/Rossetti    OlioFiat    Rally du Maroc       1976
N 92968 TO       Lampinen/                1977
         Salonen/Markkula    Alitalia    Rally de Quebec       1977
         Salonen/Markkula       RAC          1977
         Alen/Kivim?ki                1977
         M?kinen/Salonen       Hankiralli          1977
         M?kinen/Salonen       Sveitsin ralli       1977
         M?kinen/Liddon       Rally Sweden       1977
N 92969 TO       Verini/Russo    OlioFiat    Rally San Remo       1976
N 92970 TO       Lampinen/Andreasson       Acropolis          1977
         Bachelli/Rossetti    OlioFiat    Rally San Remo       1976
N 92971 TO       Bachelli/Rossetti    OlioFiat    RAC          1976
         Mouton/Conconi    FiatFrance    Eminence Tour Auto       1978
         Mouton/Conconi    FiatFrance    Tour de Corse       1978
         Andruet/Delferrier       Acropolis          1977
N 92972 TO       Lampinen/Andreason    OlioFiat    Rally Monte Carlo       1977
         Lampinen/Andreasson    OlioFiat    Rally Sweden       1977
         Lampinen/Andreasson    OlioFiat    New Zealand       1977
N 92976 TO       Mullet          San Remo       1976
                  RAC          1976
N 94410 TO       Alen/Kivimaki    OlioFiat    Rally San Remo       1976
N 94414 TO       Alen/Kivimaki    OlioFiat    1000 Meren Rally       1976
         Alen/Kivimaki       Rally Sweden       1977
         Alen/Kivimaki       Helsinki ralli       1976
         Alen/Kivimaki       Pohjola ralli       1976
      IG 7924    Alen/Kivim?ki       New Zealand       1977
N 94415 TO       Coleman/       Chequered          1977
         M?kinen/Liddon       Rally of 1000 lakes       1977
         M?kinen/Liddon       Rally du Quebec       1977
         M?kinen/Liddon       RAC          1977
         M?kinen/Liddon       Marlboro arctic arlly       1977
         Gr?nholm                   1978
         Gr?nholm                   1980
         Toivonen/Paajanen       Rally of thousand lakes    1979
         Sundstr?m                1981
         Alen/Kivimaki    OlioFiat    RAC          1976
         Alen/Kivimaki                1978
         Alen/Kivimaki                1979
         Salonen                   1980
         Aho/Wolff          Rally of 1000 Lakes       1981
         Valtaharju/Anttila       Rally of 1000 Lakes       1978
         This car was totally destroyed in training crash, both drivers were killed;
         Ulf Gr?nholm and Bob Rehnstr?m             
P 06217 TO       Verini/Russo       RAC          1977
         Alen/Kivimaki                1978
         Julienne/Julienne       Rally of 1000 lakes       1978
P 09981 TO       Andruet/Biche    FiatFrance    Rally Monte Carlo       1977
         Cambiaghi/Sanfront       Rally San Remo       1976
         Verini/Russo       RAC          1976
P 14396 TO       Rohrl/Geistdorfer                1979
P 14398 TO       Alen/Kivimaki    OlioFiat    RAC Rally       1977
         Alen/Kivimaki    OlioFiat    1000 Meren Rally       1977
         Alen/Kivim?ki    OlioFiat    Acropolis          1977
         Alen/Kivim?ki    OlioFiat    Monte Carlo       1977
         Alen/Kivim?ki       RAC Rally       1977
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Minolta             1979
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer       Metz Rally       1979
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Minolta    Hunsruck Rally       1979
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Minolta    Bayerwald Rally       1979
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Vsolio    Hessen Rally       1980
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Vsolio    Hunsruck Rally       1980
         Cerrato/Guizzardo                
P 21499 TO    IG 7925    Bachelli/Rossetti       New Zealand       1977
P 35972 TO       Salonen                   
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer       Rally du Quebec       1977
P 35973 TO       Alen/Kivimaki       Rally du Quebec       1977
         Bachelli/Rossetti       Monte Carlo       1977
         Bachelli/Rossetti       Acropolis          1977
P 35974 TO       Verini/Russo    OlioFiat    Monte Carlo       1977
         Verini/Russo       Acropolis          1977
         Lampinen/Andreasson       Rally du Quebec       1977
         Lampinen/Andreasson       RAC          1977
         Lampinen/fMarkkanen       Rally of 1000 lakes       1978
         Salonen/                   1978
         Gronholm/                1978
         Gronholm/Rehnstr?m       Rally of 1000 Lakes       1979
P 35975 TO       Alen/Kivim?ki       Rally du Quebec       1978
         Alen/Kivimaki    Marlboro    Rally Zweden       1979
         Alen/Kivimaki    Alitalia    1000 Meren Rally       1979
         Alen/Kivimaki    Alitalia    Rally Portugal       1978
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    FIAT UK    RAC Rally       1979
         Bettega/Bernacchini       Rally San Remo       1980
         Vudafieri/Bernachini       Rally Il Ciocco       1981
         Carello/Rancati                
                           
P 35976 TO       Alen/Kivimaki       Sveitsin rally       1977
         Valtaharju/Anttila       Rally of 1000 lakes       1977
         Bachelli/Rossetti       Rally Portugal       1977
P 35977 TO       Alen/Kivimaki    OlioFiat    Rally Portugal       1977
         Salonen/Markkula       1000 Meren Rally       1977
         Salonen/Kynsilehto       Pohjola rally       1977
         Salonen          Helsinki rally       
         Salonen          Teboil rally       
         Vatanen/Krogell       L?nsirannikko rally       1977
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Alitalia             1979
         ?       R 6    Acropolis Rally       1982
         ?       R 6    Rally San Remo       1982
         Noberasco/Cianci                
         Japanese car, now restoring in Italy          
P 43573 TO       Salonen/Markkula       Marlboro arctic rally       1977
         Salonen/Markkula       Nurmij?rvi rally       1977
         Salonen/Markkula       Hankiralli          1977
         Salonen/Markkula       Sveitsin ralli       1977
         Vatanen/Krogell       Rally of 1000 lakes       1977
P 43877 TO       Alen/Kivimaki                
P 51473 TO       Mouton/Conconi    FiatFrance    Rally Monte Carlo       1979
         Andruet/Delferrier       Rally Portugal       1977
         Vincent/Calvier       Tour de Corse       1977
P 86530 TO       Rohrl/Geistdorfer                
P 88538 TO       Alen/Kivimaki       1000 Meren Rally       1978
R 19728 TO       Darniche/Mahe    OlioFiat    Tour de Corse       1977
         Darniche/Mahe    Alitalia    Rally Monte Carlo       1978
         R?hrl/Pitz          Rally San Remo       1977
R 19729 TO       Andruet/Delferrier    FiatFrance    Rally San Remo       1977
         Andruet/Delferrier       Tour de Corse       1977
         Andruet/       FiatFrance    Rally Monte Carlo       1978
         Andruet/Biche    FiatFrance    Tour de Corse       1978
         Andruet/       FiatFrance    Rally Monte Carlo       1979
         Andruet/Biche    FiatFrance    Rally Monte Carlo       1980
R 19730 TO       Darniche/Mahe    Alitalia    Rally Monte Carlo       1978
         Verini/Scabini       Rally San Remo       1978
         Darniche/Mahe    Alitalia    Tour de Corse       1978
         Alen/Kivimaki    Alitalia    Rally Monte Carlo       1979
         Alen/Kivimaki    Vsolio    Rally Monte Carlo       1980
         Verini/Russo       Tour de Corse       1977
R 19731 TO       Bachelli/Rossetti       Rally San Remo       1977
         Bachelli/Scabini       Tour de Corse       1977
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Alitalia    Rally Monte Carlo       1978
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer       Rally San Remo       1978
R 35975 TO    G 21       Alen/Kivimaki    Alitalia    Rally Portugal       1978
         Vudafieri/Bernacchini    Jolli Club    Rally il Ciocco       1981
R 37173 TO       Lampinen                   
         Bachelli/Rossetti       RAC          1977
         Verini                   1978
R 62948 TO       Alen/Kivimaki    Alitalia          ?    
         Verini/Bernacchini    Alitalia             1978
         This car is at Italy in very good condition.          
R 88536 TO       Salonen/Nyman       Rally of 1000 Lakes       1978
         Munari                   1978
R 88537 TO       R?hrl                   1978
R 88538 TO       Munari/Manucco    Alitalia    Acropolis Rally       1978
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Alitalia    Criterium de Qeubec       1978
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Alitalia    RAC Rally       1978
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Alitalia    Rally San Remo ?       1979
         Waldegaard/    Vsolio    Rally Monte Carlo       1980
         Waldegaard/    Vsolio    Rally Sweden       1980
         Alen/Kivimaki    Salora    1000 Meren Rally       1980
R 88539 TO       Munari/Manucco    Alitalia    Corsica          1978
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Alitalia    Rally Monte Carlo       1979
         Bettega       Alitalia    Sandegna          1979
         Bettega       Alitalia    Lana (Biella)       1979
         Bettega/Vudafieri    Alitalia    Rally 4 Regioni       1980
         Vudafieri/Bernacchini       Sardegna          1980
         Vudafieri/Bernacchini       Elba          1980
         Vudafieri/Bernacchini       4 Regioni          1980
         Vudafieri/Bernacchini       Ciocco          1980
         Vudafieri/Bernacchini       Collinen Romagna       1980
         Cerrato          Monte Carlo       1981
         This car is at Japan now.             
R 92415 TO       Alen/Kivimaki                1978
R 92448 TO       Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Alitalia    Safari Rally       1979
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Vsolio    Rally Portugal       1980
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Vsolio    Acropolis Rally       1980
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Vsolio    Rally Codasur       1980
         Alen/Kivimaki       Rally of thousand lakes    1981
         Botto/Asteggiano       Rally Coppa Liburna       1983
R 92449 TO       Alen/Kivimaki ?    Vsolio             
         Alen/Kivimaki    Alitalia    Safari Rally       1979
         Alen/Kivimaki    Vsolio    Acropolis Rally       1980
         Munari/Jaubert    Am.jeans    Rally Bandama       1980
R 92450 TO       Mouton/Conconi    FiatFrance    Rally Monte Carlo       1980
         Mouton          Tour de Corse       1980
R 92451 TO       Alen/Kivimaki    Alitalia    Acropolis Rally       1978
         Alen/Kivimaki    Alitalia    1000 Meren Rally       1978
R 92452 TO       Alen/Kivimaki    Alitalia             
         Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Vsolio    Rally Sweden       1980
         Reutemann       Rally Codasur       1980
         Bettega/Perissinott    Vsolio    Acropolis Rally       1981
         Zanussi/Bernacchini    Totip    Rally Elba          1982
         Zanussi          rally called "RALLY" in Spain    1982
R 92453 TO       Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Alitalia             1979
         Alen/Kivimaki    Alitalia    rally San Remo       1979
R 94415 TO       Alen/Kivimaki       Arctic Rally       1980
T 92359 TO          Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Vsolio    Rally Monte Carlo       1980
T 93356 TO                            
U 48219 TO       Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Vsolio    Tour de Corse       1980
         Alen/Kivimaki    Vsolio    Rally Monte Carlo       1981
V 33681 TO       Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Jolly Club    Rally San Remo       1980
         Bettega/Bernacchi    MS    Tour de Corse       1980
V 39606 TO    G 35       Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Vsolio             
         Alen/Kivimaki    Vsolio    Rally Portugal       1981
         Vudafieri/Bernacchini    Vsolio    Halkidikis Rally       1981
         This is in at Australia in good condition          
W 24409 MI       Vadufieri/Manucci    Broms car    Targa Florio Rally       1979
         Vanni Fusaro       Mitropa Cup       1978
W 24411 MI       Manucci/       Broms car    Rally San Remo       ?
W 24430 MI       Fassina/Mannini       Rally San Remo       1977
314329 PD                Rombi Corse          
         Lucky/Pons       Costa Smeralda       1979
514333 PD          Lucky/Pons    Vsolio    10 Colline di Romagna    1980
514333 PD ?       Alen/Kivimaki    Vsolio    Rally San Remo       1980
364840 VI                Rombi Corse          
457 FZ          Didi/Lux       OlioFiat    Hunsruck Rally       1977
DJL 928          Didi/Pauly       Carling BL    Boucles de Spa       1979
         Didi/Pauly       Vsolio    Kempenrally       1981
IG 7924       N 94414 TO    Alen/Kivim?ki    OlioFiat    New Zealand       1977
IG 7925       P 21499 TO    Bachelli/Rossetti    OlioFiat    New Zealand       1977
IG 7951       N 92972 TO    Lampinen/Andreasson       New Zealand       1977
JX 2163          Rohrl/Geistdorfer    Vsolio    New Zealand Rally       1980
         Cambiaghi/Sanfront    OlioFiat    Rally 4 Regioni       1976
KTF 518          Collinge/Lyall                
GE 305488       Swiss    Lier/Cortay       Monte Carlo       1978
TI 147234       Swiss    Krattiger/Daminelli       Monte Carlo       1982
P 97972 TO       Diesel                   1977
N 84447 TO       Stradale                   
B 2525 CV       SEAT    Zanini/Petisco                
B 2528 CV       Seat    Zanini/Petisco       Poland          1979
B 9440 R2       SEAT    Canellas          Poland          1978
                           

[simon131]

As I said above, some registrations lived on more than one car.

Also, the site mentioned in the main hasn't been updated for ages. The years shown refer to the years the cars competed not the years they were manufactured.

Incidentally, although some competition cars were badged as SEAT for the Spanish races they were infact Fiat Abarth Works cars with the SEAT badges added to attract local sales.

Whatever happened to the Fiat 131mirafiori Club Holland?

[mirafioriman]

I think that club folded Simon. A shame as it was a good website that I liked to visit

Now we have this site though so all is not bad

[hammerbeirne]

As far as I know at the moment based upon literature I have read and possess (and I'm happy to be corrected upon seeing proof) the following is understood to be the case.

The Fiat Abarth 131 Rally was homologated for the 1976 season, so (according to Graham Robson's book) the full 400 cars were built before the end of 1975. There is some conjecture regarding the exact number of cars built as GR states 'exactly 400' were constructed and another source states 406, either way at least 400 cars were built to satisfy the regulations.

Of this 400 some 50 were taken and turned into full blooded Group 4 racers, however the exact number of race cars is very difficult (if not impossible!) to prove as on at least one occassion when a shell was damaged beyond repair another shell was given the damaged car's chassis and registration plates, despite it being effectively a completely new car

The remaining 350 (or 356) cars were then sold through the Italian Fiat dealer network, with 'worthy' dealerships being asked to sell them on. The problem was that they were extremely specialist cars (and very expensive!) and few sold initially, and it is rumoured that some dealers still had them unsold in their show rooms in 1980, almost 5 years after they were first marketted.

Later on in the models racing career some Group 4 cars were modified to look like the 1978 'facelifted' production cars, but in reality all that happened was that the survivors of the original 50 Group 4 were fitted with the later rear panel and lights configuration. This is bourne out by Mick Wood's Group 4, (which I have seen very close up!) which appears to be a 'Series 2' shell yet it carries a much earlier Series 1 chassis number.

Hope the above helps.

That book of graham robson is a good book on 131 abarth

[kev131]

I think that club folded Simon. A shame as it was a good website that I liked to visit

Now we have this site though so all is not bad

With all due respect to the Dutch site, not much changed over time (at least that I could see) while this forum is quite dynamic and active in comparison ...in my opinion...even it does stray off 131s from time to time!

[bellamacchina]

I think that club don't excist for a longer time.  In the mid 90s I was a member but by then there was already a very small 131 community here in Holland. With 2 members from the 1st hour I still have contact. One owns still a 131 Panorama, the other one don't own 131's anymore. He had really a lot but that's history. There were words and the group fell apart in 2 pieces. One guy took it over alone and I think he had the site. Quite a period he was active. I know he still has some 131's, quite probably a Abarth Stradale but we don't have contact. The 131 community in Holland is very silent but I have to say that we also don't have an active Fiat club. That is still quite amateuristic in my opinion. While when looking at the Alfa club, that one is brilliantly organised. Nothing wrong to the persons who do their best and enjoy their cars but the Fiat collective is not big here in Holland. And the 131 community near zero. That's why I am here at this great forum

[mirafioriman]

If there are more 131 owners in Holland it is a shame that they are not on this site.

Just shows how many 131s have survived the dreaded rust bug!

[mirafiori76]

I know this is a topic from long ago, but i just came by... That's me you guys were talking about.
To make a small add, you wouldn't possibly imagine what happened back in the mid 90's.
There were the three of us. We had so many differences. In the end i did quit. Formed my own community and long after the first bled to death, mine was still alive. However, damage was already done and not many 131/132 enthousiasts survived. Now a handfull 131 owners are left here in Holland. I know of three; Albert, Henk and myself. Sure there are more owners but they keep a low profile.
Thought i had to share this with you  

[kev131]

When I first discovered the internet (around 2001) the first thing I searched for was  Fiat 131 Sport...and to my delight found the Dutch site. A bit like the wonder with which some new members arrive here ....I was similarly wonder struck to find other people sufficiently interested in 131s and 132s to actually set up a club and a website.

Looking throuigh the gallery was great but after repeat visits there didn't seem to be much happening...which was a shame and possibly led to it's end.

Like Dave said, if there are other 131 fans in Holland it would be great to get them involved. 

[mirafiori76]

Kevin,

First, and i forget to mention it, this site wasn't my doing. I ran a club without the use of any internet stuff. This site was done by one of the two others. Just to hassle me, i'm affraid. Yes, it went that far 
And since there already was one 131-site i couldn't get another airborne. Like you say, nothing happened much and i fear that was the demise of interest for the remaining 131 enthousiasts.
Anyway, that's long in the past and nowadays there's another site for us mirafiori freaks 
I love spending my time here and sharing my passion with all the others. Nuff said.