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i am about to restore the suspension of my Racing 1981 and I am looking in Argentina for the top mounts bearing and any other part between the spring and the top mount of the front suspension. Does any one has the Fiat part numbers for these parts? It is going to be easier to find them if I have the numbers
I understand that the top mount for my car should be the one shown in the photo attached.
Thanks

Hi,

Looked in my catalogues and did not find the part number ,but ... I findem occasionally on e-bay (mainly US/ Italy and Germany... )

Hope this helps

 

Yes, I tryed Ebay but with no luck. This is the part I am missing to fix the suspensions. Currently my car has Peugeot 504 top mounts on and I want to turn it back to the original. Thanks a lot anyway

I got mine from this mob "http://www.turinimports.com.au/", although freight to Argentina might get a bit expensive.

THIS IS AN AUCTION I RECENTLY MISSED :

   
http://cgi.ebay.pl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170281281879&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW:IT&ih=007

i recently purchased two top suspension mounts for olde type of 131 since i couldn't find newer type ones that are on my 1982. 131 1600cl. anyone got any experience fitting old type mounts to a newer car? any potential  problems that i should pay attention to?

The biggest problem is the early cars have a different sized hole in the inner wing. If my memory is correct the early cars have a smaller hole.

This is what I found on Italian ebay today :

http://cgi.ebay.it/Auto-Ricambi-e-Accessori_Ricambi-Auto__5100-SUPPORTO-AMMORTIZZATORE-131-131-SUPER-FIAT_W0QQitemZ400003055845QQddnZAutoQ3aQ20RicambiQ20eQ20AccessoriQQadiZ8142QQddiZ7429QQadnZRicambiQ20AutoQQcmdZViewItemQQptZRicambi_automobili?hash=item400003055845&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1385%7C66%3A4%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318


Miro

yup. i've got those  for 10e/pair, fiar ricambi originali, and i needed the other ones. i' fit them anyhow. how hard can it be? i've got angle grinder and co2 welder and know how to use 'em

I take it you dont have any strut top mouintings at the moment, if you do have an old one post a photo, in my experience they never seem as bad as you imagine, if they are moving about a bit (and mine do) dont go expecting much imrovement when you replace them.
I have a spare used pair that i removed from my car, they seem to be in as good a condition as the ones i replaced them with.
Please do not cut the strut tops up, actually if you need the bigger ones its making the holes smaller that would be your problem and then maintaining steering geometry.
If their is any way i can get these spare pair to you i will, all i ask is that you pay postage.
PM me your address and ill find out how much.
Steve

thanks steve, but i haven't yet decided what to do abouth those top mounts. they're not completely busted but are not in top nick either. since i plan to fit bigger wheels and new tyres, suspension must be as new for that. also, i already bouht new lower arms and all 4 shocks so it would be a shame not to replace top mounts. i've done some pretty radical modifications on my other cars so maintaining steering geometry won't be a problem. anyhow, i'll take a pic or two and let you and other guys who have more experience with 131's evaluate their condition.

top mounts now on my 131. not in top nick?

Djape, one question, the ones you bought for 10E are the same as the ones you show in the photos above? If so, I would be very grateful if could you look to see if you can find the Fiat part number stamped on them. The ones I need are the ones you show in the photos.
Thanks

Does Yagmur do these?

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the ones i bought are different, like http://cgi.ebay.it/Auto-Ricambi-e-Accessori_Ricambi-Auto__5100-SUPPORTO-AMMORTIZZATORE-131-131-SUPER-FIAT_W0QQitemZ400003055845QQddnZAutoQ3aQ20RicambiQ20eQ20AccessoriQQadiZ8142QQddiZ7429QQadnZRicambiQ20AutoQQcmdZViewItemQQptZRicambi_automobili?hash=item400003055845&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1385%7C66%3A4%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

I might be wrong it is a while since I have taken a 131 front suspension to bits, but do the parts you bought go underneath the inner wing?

i got no idea. my experience with 131 is very limited, i know a lot about 124's, 125's and 132's but this is my first 131 and first one i worked on ever.

yes, they definitely do. The upper mount is different. I bought a few of these (upper & lowermounts) in Turkey two years ago (for the Tofas 131 Sahin), they came for (if I remember right) around 7 Euros together, 14 Euros for both sides of the car.

Best regards,
Robert

i'll mess around with my 131 this weekend anyhow and see what i've got and what i still need.

yes,I have many.

That should be the problem solved then.  ;D

maybe for you. here in serbia, ordering anything fom abroad is a problem. if it wasn't so i'd order half of 131 from yagmur and get a good discount too!

Why is it difficult to order things from abroad in Serbia?

we're outside eu, and for a good reason too.
no paypal for serbia, money orders only for members of family, western union is the only way. most eu and usa companies won't ship goods to serbia...
evem my visa and mastercard issued in serbia are not valid via the net. only if i pay in person when i go abroad. local laws are the problem, and eu regulations don't help either. then there's customs... anything worth more than 20e goes to customs for evaluation. they do not care about price i bought the goods for. they estimate the value and sharge according to that evaluation. last time i had to deal with customs here in serbia i nearly lost my mind. i wanted to go and shoot them all. i bought 1985 mazda 626 in austria for 500e and wanted to import it to serbia. they charged me 750e for customs fees. according to them, that car was worth 3000e in serbia and fee was 25% for used cars!
if for instance, steve gave me top mounts for as a cristmass present, and i paid transport cost, i'd still have to pay customs fee for their evaluated value. and wait for couple of weeks for them to decide how much to charge me. skin of my back if possible!
in one word - POLITICS

and a little extra - i can't get visa to enter eu countries. im serbian, 31yrs old and single. no go! either i'm a terorist, war criminal or illegal immigrant...

I know Yagmur accepts Western Union so that means you could pay for them. The customs issue is the one which causes most problems I think. We have the same problem when buying from the USA for example, but they only charge us based on the price the item cost so it is fairer.

Hi the only way we can pay Yagmur is by western union so will be no problem for you & we have the same story here with the customs to import a basket case 131 is ?720
Turkey is not in EU either.

Turkey is not in EU but everything is easy here.Bank payments,western,custom facilities,etc are all easy,never a problem.

well the best way to get your parts is to have a nice holiday in beautiful Turkey & come home with a suitcase full of 131 parts & yourself full of Effes! lol

i'm seriously considering going for a holiday to turkey next year in my 131. it's about 1500km from me. getting all the work done there while i take a dip in the sea seems like a good idea. only thing that bothers me is that i'd probably spend more time hangin' around the garage then having fun  on the beach :)

Well, customs here is more or less te same but perhaps not as strict and predictable. Here it is kind of lotery. You can import without taxes for a certain fee but car part should all pay 25% of the value of the invoice. The problem? is that if they do not believe in the invoice they have a table from where they get a value for the part. If they go to this table they kill you with the tax...
Used parts are not allowed. If they suspect that the part is used they scrap it. Customs are a plague everywhere. The other problem here is that 1 Euro is 4.5 pesos so....
I will keep looking to see if I can find these Top Mounts here. If I do not find them I will order them from Yagmour and play lotery.

Ok I have some Issues with 131 front suspension as well

the problem is that with the nyloc nut bottomed out on the thread on the top of the shock, there is still a 15mm gap between the shoulder and the washer - the silentbloc mounting flange is maybe 3-4mm thick at most.........

so the top of the shock is not captive, when the suspension is compressed it goes loose and rattles around.I dont know if I'm missing a spacer or bearing up there or not?  or if it has something to do with mixing early and late suspension components, or the machining on the top of the shocks maybe?

Spring and shock
(http://chop.orconhosting.net.nz/131/frontsuspension1.jpg)

(http://chop.orconhosting.net.nz/131/frontsuspension2.jpg)

(http://chop.orconhosting.net.nz/131/frontsuspension3.jpg)


Lastly, the shocks are BOGE, P/N  1  0211  27  520  5
Anyone able to shed some light on if these are just standard replacement parts or some kind of sports/racing shock?

beats me what the problem is, i would just extend the thread if i were you. if you don't have the tool required to do so, go to your local hardware store and buy some big washers.

Here,s a photo of the two different shock absorber tops side by side, one is earlier than the other, the only difference is in the length of the thread on the top.
I have added a couple of thick washers simply to act as a spacer under the nyloc nut, see second photo.
Regards
Steve
(http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq71/parrish_028/PC150069.jpg)
(http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq71/parrish_028/PC150070.jpg)

Testament!

This may be that your shocks may be for a different model. Will look at mine and let you know what  I see  there .

Ah ok, I can make up some spacers no problem - Is this different shock end an OE fiat thing or something or only on after market shocks where they are probably using the same shock insert for a number of different cars with different mountings welded on the bottom.

Some socks (and other parts) "almost fit"  but the aftermarket seller will sell it to you. Sometimes ahe ones you exactly need ara not available and hence " some fitting problems"

Their are two different Top Mounts an early and a late one.
Here is a photo of both type's of top mount.
The shockabsorbers you have are for the top mount shown (not fitted).
Steve
(http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq71/parrish_028/PC160085.jpg)
(http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq71/parrish_028/PC160084.jpg)

Martin: Help! which is the early and which the later top mount?

according to "ocap" and "birth" catalogues, first picture is later model and second early one

Yes, exactly. Top is the later and the bottom one is the earlier type. I have never owned a car with the earlier type. I think (could be wrong) that only the series 1 had the earlier type.

and i got to buy those! just my luck.