Just a stupid question

[Tas131]

can we get together a supercharger + a turbo on the same engine!!!

Volkswagen currently do it on their TSI engine, Lancia did it decades ago!

[mirafiori76]

Yes. I believe the Lancia 037 was the first.

[ADIGA131]

yeah but this is the 1st time i see this kind of engine!
but as i asked before could it be done to 131!! and just askin how much hp would reach for 131!!

[Tas131]

Yes. I believe the Lancia 037 was the first.

No turbo on an 037, supercharger only.

[david]

Lancia delta S4 ecv had Triflux head, two turbos and a supercharger.

[TOAD]

just askin how much hp would reach for 131!!

    By adding a supercharger all it will do is boost the lower end power and acceleration, its not done to add any top end power, this is what the turbo's are for.  The limiting factor is, How strong can you make the engine,  How much can you get the top end to flow,   and lastly you need to suppress Detonation/Pinking, this is the killer, the engine melts its pistons and valves.

  Generally the question is,not how much power can it produce,but How long will it hold together, apparently the old Ford kent engine will do over 400bhp, but for only 90seconds. If you look at the Thundersaloon thread, we'le find out together what we can get, the group2 road/race may be easier to afford as I'm trying to slap that together from old bits laying around, the thundersaloon thread (Toad) should be around 550+  the Group2 road/race thread should be about 260-320, it depends on which management system we use.

 Regards

         Roger..............

[jasonh131]

I knew a lancia  Beta man in Altorne essex he had  vx's and delta's and a prototype masser 4 door  . i went round for a vx head and he had this twincam vx engine on the deck with the delta turbo manifold ready to go in something
 he just bolted all spare bits he had on it .
    I don't now if he put it in somthing, a monte or beta and whether he  got it up and running  

[ADIGA131]

its just to see lancia with 1000hp! and 131 not?! its annoying   
it kills me the most to see FIAT the big name who owns Ferrari and dont have a car by its name FIAT to compete with supercars that have more than 400hp as a sport car!

[ADIGA131]

so TOAD ur planes to get 550+hp?! 
how great, and good luck..

[TOAD]

You may get your wish to see a 131 competing with the Gt's   it all depends on the power we get, or don't get. 

  Have a look at the Thundersaloon thread in Projects, any questions ask it there that way other people get all the same information on the project

         Roger.............

Group5 131 Thundersaloon project

P.S  I see you found it

[Gremlino]

Lancia did it decades ago!

Lancia at Corso Marche..... not really Lancia, more another outfit 

(why is the S4 really a SE038?) 

[Tas131]

Lancia delta S4 ecv had Triflux head, two turbos and a supercharger.

2 turbos, no supercharger.

[mirafiori76]

Delta S4 was the best rally car ever build. There will never be an equal. Too bad it was also a very dangerous car.