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Nice 132 Kevin ;)

Nice selection of cars and what looks like a sound Fiat 132 - Thanks Mirko..!  ;)

now that 132 looks the bizz

They have a great range of cars and the 132 looks wonderful. Having never driven a 132 (always liked them) I wonder what they drive like in comparison with say a S2 Super 1.6. Any feedback.

i've had several 132s over the years and still have one.
more comfortable, softer, more bodyroll, faster than 131 1,6 super, less engine and road noise, great brake and steering servo. less "sporty". after 1000km drive non stop i get out of it and don't feel tired at all, unlike opel vectra (vauxhall) for example.
bigger inside, fantastic seats.
great sunvisors!!!
nice exaust note over 4k rpm

You are whetting my appetite Djape.  :D

Despite learning to drive properly and gain sufficient experience to pass my driving test in a 131 Sport, my very first car to drive, at age 15, was a 132 2000. I can remember every second of the experience! It was a short drive along a single track road, stop and reverse to where I started. End.

I still my remember my Dad's surprise that I didn't stall once and could steer in reverse never having performed either operation before (at least in a full size car). I was so pleased with myself!  ;D

Still looking actively for the right car every day!  :)

still think you're too picky.  ::)
there's plenty good ones out there...
even the metallic red one from serbia i went to see drives nice.
or you're following my 131 restoration to see if it's up to your standards and waiting for me to restore my 132 and then make me an offer?  ;D

frankly, 132 leaves something to be desired and i've made some mods over the years but i suppose it's a matter of taste

.....but too picky for who...?  :)

If I want a car that is as close new condition as I can find, why can't I try to do that...?

I know such cars exist and I have been either too slow or too mean to buy them up to now (ie ?7000 for a Fiat 132!!). I once bought a 131 Sport "cheap" and learnt a lesson that "cheap does not exist. Now I will buy the very best I can afford and I'm very confident that I will be rewarded for my patience.

I know of another car that I think would satisfy the standards I'm looking for but I am in competition with someone who has already done a deal for it - They have not paid for it yet so I'm hoping they get cold feet! I'll let you know how it turns out.  :)

Good luck Kevin 8)

I think you are wright, at the end it is always cheaper to buy the best
car you can get!
Go for it ;)

well, as far as my experience with 132 and other old cars goes, i predict this seres of events.
-you find the car that looks excellent on the outside and inside. there's no rust, it's always been in garage, low mileage etc. you buy it. price around 5k euro for pristine example.

when you start driving it more frequently you find out that:
-car has not been driven for last 10-15 years. it's been taken out of garage, cleaned, new battery, cables and spark plugs installed and tyres inflated. so far so good.
- after 100kms you find out that tyres are crap and need replacement as soon as possible. - 200e
- after 150 km carburettor fraks up. - 30e. if fuel injected - 200e
- after 500km fuel pump membrane fails. - 50e
- after 1000km fuel lines, brake lines and rubber seals in the braking system start leaking. -150e
- after 5.000km all rubber bushings in suspension fall apart - 300e
- after 6.000km all oil seals in the engine and transmission start leaking. you do nothing about it for now.
- after 10.000km oil consumption goes tru the roof. engine is consuming/leaking a liter of oil per 100km. you leave emberassing trail of blue smoke behind you. piston rings were siezed up and now that you've loosened them up oil goes where it shouldn't go. valve seals are busted too. engine rebuild - 500e
- while engine is out you coud as well change the oil seals in gearbox and rear axle - 100e

this is provided that you do all the work yourself. if you have to pay a mechanic to do it, i suspect that prices are at least x5.

better buy a everyday car, a runner, maybe even slightly worn on the outside.

p.s.
only way i would ever pay serious money for an old car is to have proper paperwork and proof (see and touch it myself) that everything written above has already been done.

You are certainly in good typing form today Djape.  ;)

Thanks for the catalogue of potential pitfalls in buying and owning an old car - Your mechanical knowledge is certainly more comprehensive than mine.....but if we can get back to your "too picky" comment which is what prompted me to question you... and really how can one person really understand if another is being too picky or not - Surely an individual's standards are personal to them and should be respected...? :)

Back to buying a Fiat 132 - I want to buy one in pristine condition, period.  

I think that the majority of 132s that come up for sale have been out of regular use for many many years and have had either a light or thorough re-commissioning before being put up for sale. In the event that I find one that meets the standards I require, the next step will be a mechanical assessment and if bought, all wise precautions will be taken before attempting the drive back to Ireland. When that happens, you'll be the first person that I talk to about it...and send pictures to... :)

It took me 6 years to find the right 131 Sport so I know what it is like to have to wait... ;)

To reply to djape:  This always happens to the guys in SA when they buy old Fords.  Luckily for us Fiats are better engineerd!

Kev

You are a third of the way in to my perfect garage that would be:

1) An Orange 131 Sport

2) A Metallic Green 132 S3 2000

3) A Yellow 131 Supermirafiori S2 1.6

I see you ahve managed the most expensive of my ideal 3.

as i already once previously said, this form of communication deprives us of those little things that human-to human contact is based on. facial expresions, body language, tone of voice. i try very hard to pick my words, specially considering that english is not my native language. i meant no insult. if we were nearer to eachother we'd be having a pint over this whole story of 132, and not just once.
the fact that it took you 6 years to find the right 131 escaped me so far. taking that into account makes things a bit clearer to me. you seem to be one of those people that first check the ground on the other side before they jump the ditch, as we say in serbia. on the other hand, sometimes they forget to check how far they can jump. again, no disrespect meant.

back to 132.

yes, majority of them, pristine examples definately, have been off the road for years.

some of them had a wash up only and rare are the ones that had light re-commisioning. i truly believe that none of 132s offered for sale had proper re commisionig done because we'd be talking about 10k euro. i talked to a classic car specialist in switzerland several years ago, a garage that restores, maintains and repairs classic ferraris, lamborghinis and simmilar exotics and when i asked about fiat 132 the owner told me to expect to spend around 25-30k franks, aprox 12-15k euro. seeing the look on my face, he proceeded to explain that it meant the car with swiss MOT. and believe me, they're anal about it. all that i written above included. engine, suspension and transmission dissasembled and all rubber and plastic bits replaced with good quality parts, new piston rings, crank bearings etc. + rustproofing the body and electrics overhaul. in his words that would make a car suitable to be everyday vehicle, next 100k kms. dependable over the point it was when it left the factory.
and the price he mentioned was with prices of fiat parts, not ferrari parts. that guy knows what's he talking about since he has fiat 130 as everyday car.
try to find a swiss 132!

from the cars i've seen recently, maybe a dark blue 132 for 7k and orange for 8k had the overhaul done. MAYBE.

wouldn't agree on that one.
i've had a red 132 diesel that i bought for pennies that was parked in a yard, covered with tarp, for around 10 years. when i started driving it, after couple hundred km, gearbox started making the funny on/off wining noise with a frequency aroud 1/10th of a second. it got progresively louder to the point that i couldn't hear the radio. i took the gearbox out, disassembled it and it turned out that all the gears and bearings inside were half coroded. and i mean half! lower half was immersed in oil as it stood idle for years and the upper half was not. where did the moisture come from? condensation probably.

on various fiats i've had same type of problem: o-rings on crank, halfshafts and gearbox all spewed oil after some driving. when i took them out rubber was brittle and pretty much desintegrating...

my perfect fiat garage
1. 132 2000
2. 124 sport
3. 130 4 door

got the first two, need to get 130, and to pour a lot of money into it all...

 :) My perfect garage

1) 131 4door Volumetrico

2) 131 2 door Volumetrico

3) 131  Abarth - like Simons any colour

4)  ;) BMW Alpina (E12) b7s 

This sounds like a good forum topic to develop ie My Ideal Garage...  :)

Djape - Apologies if I gave the impression that I was offended - I wasn't actually - Just picking up on the phrase used - It didn't feel appropriate - I know I would be dis-satisfied with a tired interior, sun faded dash and other various cosmetic blemishes.

We've had this conversation before (about mis-understandings) and your excellent command of English makes me forget that it is not your first language.

In my view, you are one of the most prominent contributors to this forum and I always appreciate the fact that you say things as you find them, you know what you are talking about and most of all, you are a hardcore Fiat fan!

I'm looking forward to the time when we get to have that 132 conversation and beer!  ;)

thanks for the compliments

tired interior is in my oppinion worst thing about 132 mk3. every one i had so far had interior door panels bent and cracked from the sun and hanging roofliner. dashboards don't seem to be prone to cracking, although i have seen several that did. intrestingly enough, mk1 and mk2 interiors dont suffer from sun damage and i have had and seen mk2 132 that were rotten beyond repair and interiors were perfect! i even thought about mk2 doorcards on mk3 car but i really perfer mk3 interior styling.

one more thing that most of 132 fans don't even know: there's two possible interior colours and i'm not talking about the seats!
there's pre 1980 brown interior and 1980 and 1981 dark brown, almost black
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i personally perfer dark brown with honey yellow seats

That's really spooky because the car that I'm monitoring (for the last few days) has this darker interior dash/console colour and I'd never seen this colour before....!

Like I said in a posting a few weeks ago, the longer that I am member of this forum, the more I realise that I don't know!  ;D

by the way, how much would you be willing to pay for this one?
been already trough recommisionig process. partialy repainted, buffed, new brakes, engine and tranny seals replaced, suspension sorted out with new two way shocks, rear anty roll bar, new tyres, bumpers and brightwork, pwr steering...

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She's a beauty - Is she for sale...? Is she yours?

I see there is no need to be replacing wipers or to re-charge air conditioning units so that should bump up the value... :)

I'll have a think about what the value might be... in my humble opinion. What has been done ...and is left to do...?

A similarly (from what I can see bodywise) restored car in Hungary has reduced in price recently from ?5k to ?4000.

http://www.autoscout24.eu/Details.aspx?id=v3lji14mbl3t

a barn find from few years ago. a friend of mine overtook me on that one. i supplied some parts and did some work on it. might be for sale if the price is right. ac can be fitted on request, as well as rear disc brakes and other mods. 
at the moment the pics were taken the windscreen was out to clean water drain holes below rubber surrounding the glass. wipers are complementory.

car from hungary was rusty and repairs were done well below my standard of work. take a look at clip. if i were him, i would remove it as soon as possible. also, it's seats were re-upholstered with vinyl which ruind them. a lot of work has gone into that one but results...
also,  i estimate it's true mileage to be around 150.000km
i'd say it's realistic value is 2,5k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjYfP_I0zF0

white 132 had rust only below radiator and that didn't require patching, just cleaning, rustproofing and repainting. 53904 km is it's true mileage and there's a service history to proove it. 5k would probably be realistic price, but looking at what people are trying to sell for 5k, i'd say it should be priced around 7k

what is left to do? pay the road tax and start driving it.
since the photos were taken windscreen has been refitted, seats and carpet taken out and steam cleaned.

Great job... Great car...

i'll be quoting a pm from kev since i find that conversation is of interest to other people too. hope nobody minds...

there's new parts in the back too. both bumpers, side indicators, headlights and taillights are new.

i generally tend to agree that preserved cars are worth more but, and A BIG BUT, not always!

as i said before, i think that it's very rare to find a seller who gave such attention to details as it has been given on this car. frankly, if it had just been washed and interior cleaned it would be imacculate and wouldn't look out of place in a saloon of a renound car dealer with a price tag of 7k euro.
friend of mine, owner of this white 132 wanted his car to look as new. therefore, car was inspected from all angles and spots of surface rust under the radiator spotted. i would really like to see who else does such a throught inspection on any car!

partially repainted means that part below radiator was repainted and black areas below doors and front bumper too. black was a bit faded. wheels were also repainted because of numerous little scratches which are inevitable on any 50k km car.

mechanical renovation:
full gasket set and piston rings replaced in the engine. all new water hoses. new sparkplugs and cables. new cambelt, tensioner and water pump. new oil and filter. now that's what i call "fully serviced" engine!!!
full gasket set replaced in the gearbox and rear axle. new oil.
new brakes means new discs, new front callipers, new brake pads front and rear, new brake cylinders in the back, new handbrake cable, new brake hoses front and rear, new master cylinder.

modifications are done using correct parts. aircon can be fitted for example only if it came from another 132 that had it as factory installed equipment in which case i don't see how could it lower the value?

interior did come up perfect. headliner of course did come loose in the procces and it was glued back in it's place using same tecnique as in factory with a difference of high temp ressistant glue was used. by the way, only way to remove headliner from 132 without damaging it is to do it while windscreen is out.

rustproofing was done using spray wax http://www.wurth.co.rs/PDF_Auto/A%2004%200900.pdf on the inside of all body spaces such as sills, chasis legs, iside doors etc and undrbody was coated in rezin http://www.wurth.co.rs/PDF_Auto/A%2004%200905.pdf with critical areas protected from stones and chips with PU coat http://www.wurth.co.rs/PDF_Auto/A%2004%200930.pdf
if this was done to new fiats before they left the factory i believe we wouldn't be wasting time and money saving our pet cars from thin worm

ralistic value? i think he won't let it go for less than 5k euro.

in my oppinion prices we see in ads are more like a whish list...

however, that whishlist is party responsible for rising prices past few years. some examples: do you know of anyone who actually bought a set of dual carbs and manifold for fiat at 1.000e? do you actually know of someone who actually paid 10k for 131 sport?
tipical example is another friend of mine who's into fords. he decided to sell his '69 capri. how he estimated the value of his car? he opened the ads and took a look atother capris for sale. ok, so top condition is worth lets say 10k, and rustbucket 500, so my car is somewhere in between. i'll ask 7k for it. several people called inticed by high price, thinking that it must be excellent car. 3 months later his capri is still in front of his house. frankly, the right price for his car is 1000e and he either won't sell it at all or he will sell it in 6 months when he realises it's true value

dunno wht exact procedure you have to go trough but i know of several classic cars that were exported from serbia to EU so i don't think there's much problems about that

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Yes I remember that advert...plus some clever journalist suggesting at the time that the car was actually a sheep in Wolf's clothing!  :)

Looking at the pictures of the white 132 it looks a real gem. Would the forum members consider adding the 132 to the website and letting 132's come along to events.

Fab car would love to own it ,a lot better than mine  ;D

Have the brosures that were around for the 132 must get the scanner going

story of white 132 has a happy ending. after flying pass on MOT, road trip was in order

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Great pictures, great car, I love it!!

Although not a 131 - It is very beautiful-well done djape  ;) ;)
I do like the 132s -I had a 132 1800 es that was as reliable as a donkey with carrots -and could still beat the ford xr3 escort off the lights  ;D ;D