131mirafiori forum

Hi guys!
I have found a supermirafiori 2000tc -83 ,its a barnfind but it was supposed to been used in traffic between 83-85 and then stored at a cars salers basement till it was driven one summer in 2002 so the milage is only 29000km, its a chestnut metallic paint,outside looks good the only visible rost is on the inside of the engine lid.
The interior has saggy roof and a little worn drivers seat bottom,and a scar in the upper plastic on the drivers door,and a cracked gearboot.

It needs a new cambelt and brakeoverhaul, reconditioning,
So what's the proper value for a car in this state?

Cheers Alf

Got any  pics ,, If you find  a good one you got to buy it  8)

Now i got pics on it, I don't know what to offer him as a decent not overpriced offer?
I want to buy it for sure but I am not a millionaire..

Alf

Price is extremely subjective Alf and without seeing the car it's almost impossible to value correctly.

That said however a Super is worth less than a Racing/Sport and the Super in question has been stood for some time so will certainly need additional works to make fully roadworthy again, such as brake hoses, etc. as you say, and whilst I personally like the brown colour the best colour for an S3 Super is arguably blue. I would also question the mileage as a driver's seat should not show signs of wear after 29k km.

A mechanically good, rust free S3 Super 2000TC in roadworthy condition needing no work is probably worth a maximum of ?5,000 in the UK, less on mainland Europe. If it was me and the car is truly a good example I'd probably be looking to offer at about ?1,000 - ?1,250 to start with, but I wouldn't pay much more than ?2,000 for it considering the work needed to bring back to the road. But this is the UK and not Sweden and I have no idea what the 131 market is like in your country.

I hope this helps.

I was think similar to Simon as it would have to be recomissioned properly including the heater matrix tap & hoses replacement ;)

Hi!
Thanks Simon and Sid for your comments, i really need help on this matter, is it a genuine lowmilage car, the speedo turns around at 100,000km , can it be 1289100km or?

The market on supers in Sweden is that it is about 30 of them left and this is probably the best i have seen, the others are rusted away!
I think that i can offer 1900GBP and get it, but for me its alot of Money!

Alf

From what I can see in the pics Alf I would say that 1900 GBP is not expensive for this car, and if I was able to buy it I certainly would for that price!

I would also say that the overall condition would tell me that it had only done 28k km. The body work looks great, especially that rear arch, and the sills still appear to be in factory paint.

I'm sorry that the price is a lot of money for you but that is the price for a decent 131 these days. Rest assured however that the price of 131s is only going one way so I'd say grab one whilst you can  ;D

One thing you don't say in any of your postings is whether the car starts and runs. If it does then to me it's a sure purchase. 8)

Hi and thanks Simon!
The Engine hasnt been started since 2002 ,the owner says that it should run great like it did when he stored it, but due to the cambelt it should be shanged first Before start.

I have to persuide my wife right now to se if the budget can take it..

Alf

Yes, I agree, change the cam belt before you start it. ;)

Good luck with persuading your wife.  ;D Tell her it's an investment! Which it surely is  8)

It's looks a nice original Super Alf, has a sunroof too. Hope you get it ;) the door cards have not been butchered with holes for radio speakers :)

This is the front seat in my S3 Super 1400/TC with 42000 KM.
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I seen this Super about 2 years ago it had I think around 80000KM, same cloth in the one you are looking at.
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Thanks, c.a.c 131!
Its yours and kevins s3 in almost new shape that got my attention,i didn't think it was possible to find one here in Sweden,with the high humidity and salted roads in the winters killed all 131 in good shape a long time ago.

Mostly rust buckets left if you can find one at all,they only sold 131 supermirafiori 2000tc here in 82-83 and what i find was that its about 30 left with papers but i don't think there is any in better shape than this.

we will have to see what happens, nothing is final until the car is in my garage.

Alf

Looks to be a very original Super with an acceptable price Alf, make it a runner and you will hardly get a nicer example. The sunroof is a great bonus. Take it if possible, this quality is really scarce!

Good luck!

I agree Alf. The colour is the brochure colour and is a great find. Price is a bargain even if the mileage is 129,000! You won't regret it... :)

Hope you get it :) You could get a steel sunroof on Irish market S3 Super 2000/TC back in the day.

Colour is original and the same of mine, is "marrone bruciato metallizzato 732" as you can check inside the trunk cover. Can you please post some pictures of the inner part of the roof and of the car when you get it out of there? Very nice example, if it's rust free you have a bargain.

Hi guys!
Thanks for all comments, its been hard to do business with the guy, i had to increase my bid a bit, just wait and see what's happened!

All 82-83 131 in Sweden had sunroof as standard, i don't know why but they have it!

DOHC 131: when the deal is done, i have to solve the transport 450km one way, i have no car with tow bar and no one in my family, but i have ideas of perhaps its possible to take it on a freighter truck, i have to ask around first.

If and when its in my garage i will get more pics and details!

Cheers Alf

The Fiat importer/distributor at the time would have picked the standard spec & optional extras for their market, it still works the same today. The importer/distributor lets the factory know the standard spec when ordering the cars for their market.

In Ireland on S3 Super 2000/TC's the sunroof was not standard, but you could order it as a optional extra :)

did you have airconditioning as option in Sweden? Here in Italy, airco was optional for 2000tc supers... and sunroof also was.

Hi!
131 DOHC: No,ac became standard in the late ninties on most cars here, at the time they sold 131 most people never heard of ac here!

Well perhaps we need it for five weeks a year at most with the Scandinavian weather.
we never got any 131 with power steering either,not that we need it anyway(we are Vikings).

Finally I got an agreement with the seller so now I have paid a downpayment on the car,phuuu.as far as my wife, she is a good wife so it only costed me a new sofa!

I think that it might be a pickup of the car in about three weeks, I will give a new report and some pics.

Alf

Good news Alf. Looking forward to a full report with pics..... :)

Well the 2000tc you are picking has power steering as standard, so you will be delighted by your new hydraulic power steering, it's smooth and has absolutely no "electronic feeling" as moderns have.

Congratulation, Alf  ;)

Thanks Heini!

131DOHC: No,no power steering on any 131 it was not standard here in Sweden who only imported the Supermirafiori 2000Tc in 82-83,I think in all Scandinavia, we got sunroof instead...I think its like c.a.c 131 says above,it was different in all countries.

Alf

Congratulations Alf. I look forward to reading all about it when you eventually 'take delivery'. ;D 8)

As far as I know, power steering was standard on all third series 2000tc in all countries, have never seen one in real life or in picture without this feature. Maybe fiat made some cars especially for your market without power steering because extremely cold winter would affect power steering oil.

I think that it is a fairly light car that really didn't need power steering,perhaps it was an expensive option that made the car cheaper and made the price more attractive in comparison to other brands.

I have had four mk3 before and seen a lot of them but no one with power steering!
I don't think the cold weather was a factor,many other European countries have the same cold as we have.
Alf

I would say that when Fiat Sweden picked the spec they thought that a sunroof would be better standard then power steering :) very few cars had power steering standard back then.

When I seen the photo of the engine bay of this Super, I did notice that it did not have power steering.

No plastic or metal power steering reservoir.
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Hi guys!
I just found out thru the royal archive that this car has spent its days from 83 to -85 at a driving school!
Good or bad,I don't know...

I wouldn't mind to learn how to drive in a 131 supermirafiori!

Alf

I would not let that put you off, its a very rare 131 now :) It would have had a fully qualified driving instructor in it at all times :D Would be a nice car to learn how to drive in back in the day ;D Did it have dual controls in it ? (passenger side clutch and brake pedals) ?

It was at mot the first thing before in traffic and once more after it was sold back at the fiat firm, since they don't require mot until the third year in traffic,it must have been mot for the dual pedals!

No dual pedals left sadly,  I have a friend who has a driving school he could offer lessons in a veteran car.
Alf

I've never seen or heard of any 131s in Australia with power steering.

Hi everyone!She?s home!!
 
After a 1000km picup finally i got her home, i also got an extra Engine and gearbox,4 doors,bootlid, some smallparts, its a bit dusty but still shines in the sun after a 13 year of sleep in the shed, before that it only seen the sun in 2001 for one summer, Before its former coma from -85!

The car is in great shape even better than expected, but now when i get time i have to fix the brakes and change the cambelt so i can start it up!

Alf

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Well done Alf :) looks very nice.

Good news Alf. It will be worth the effort. There can't be many two litre 4 doors left now.

Great to see such a good example get into the hands of a true enthusiast!  :)

Looks mighty fine  :)

Good luck with this great find Alf!! I love the colour!!

Yes, I love the colour too  ;)

Best of luck with her Alf & nice spare engine also, does the fitted engine have a cam mounted dizzy?

Hi and thanks guys!
I am very pleased with the car!

Sid: Yes it has,all Swedish 2l had cam mounted dizzys..
Alf

Hi All.
Wow Alf that car looks very clean and thanks for keeping us up to date from day one
about the car. I wish you the best of luck with the car.
      Willie.

Thanks Willie!
I love to read these stories my self and its here all true 131 friends are!

Alf

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That's the state I want it to have when I am done or at least as close as possible for an old car.

Alf

Hi everyone!
I finally had her started up,there was some electric fault with the switch behind the key lock so there was no spark, but now its fixed, it started up instantly with the old gasoline/petrol!

I took her for a ride and it was wonderful except that brakes hanged on a bit but it got better after a while, what can you expect after been standing in a barn for 13years, after that she got a well deserved bath!

cheers
Alf

Hi Alf,

nice to hear she is working fine ;)

Hi!
I have tried with some treatment for the plastic, good result on all parts exept driver and passenger door, they seem to be more White in the plastic!

For a car that only had one car wash the last fifteen years and no polisch it looks quite good if i may brag a bit..

Cheers
Alf

Looks very nice Alf :)

Yes very nice and even another headlight-cleaning system ;) 8)

Hi All.
Well Alf you may well Brag as your Car looks a fine Example ;). A little sad story to tell everyone when I bought my
car last year before I got the Courage to tell the Wife I had done the deal on the 2Litre she found out so to get
Back in her good Books I got work done on Three of the Rooms in the House ::).So between the Price of the Car
and the Money spent on House my Car worked out very Expensive ::).So Alf you were very lucky to get away very
Lucky with just Buying a Sofa ;) ;D. So Lads a Bit of Advice don't try and fool the Wife as it could work out very
Expensive ::) ;D.
    Willie.

It's a beauty Alf... You should be very proud of your purchase..... :)

looking good Alf  8)

Fantastic condition. Can you tell me if the paint is original or the car has been repainted? This is mine, awful condition, ha ha:

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Hi all!
I am very proud of the car that i didn't think existed in Sweden!

But it's far from perfect, the other owner had it to put piles of shit on, so there are small scratches on the roof and boot lid and the interior needs some attention and fixing!

Heini: Yes it's high pressure washers that was required instead of the silly wipers.

Willie: I agree! Have a talk with your partner and after some negotiations go and buy it!
I say to my wife that I could have other women as a hobby, after that its silent.

131 Dohc: It's the original paint and nothing is repainted or fixed, I don't think your 131 is awful at all, be happy to own such a good restoration project, I have had worse 131 as a daily driver with 1/3 of the car gone or paper sized metal.

Thanks for all comments!
Alf

Mine is my daily drive and covers 60km per day, so it goes like hell but is in bad shape. When you'll have done a full running to yours after this so long rest you will see the difference.