131mirafiori forum

Ok,

Heres a start thread for this model often mistaken for the 031.

I have taken this quote from the 'Abarth prototype' thread...



As we have previously discussed on the forum the drivetrain for the 035 would appear to be the same as for the 031, being a De Tomaso Pantera transaxle driven via propshaft.

The interior was all stripped out with only a basic fabricated dashboard.
 
The front end structure is indeed very similar to the 031 with the same/similar strut brace anchoring onto the slam panel.

There is indeed a large radiator mounted in the boot with ducting opening on the bootlid.

My pictures show some of the features but not the boot/trunk detail.
 

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As Mirafiori76 stated on the 031 thread, if the 035 was one of the 031s converted then how comes before it was painted it had a brown body with a Racing door?

It does appear that the 035 is a wholey different prototype that shares componentry with the 031.

It also shares its 1452cc Supercharged engine with the early Beta Monte Carlo Turbo which changed from Supercharger to Turbocharger during its development.

Someone out there must have more info  ???   

Does Abarth not exist any more?

        Write the them, email them they can only say no, but its something.

why do you think they went to the trouble of a transaxle?

Ha-ha Roger if only, the Modern company does not have the old company records (have learned this from the fact that they approached the private collectors of Abarths for specs and numbers when re-creating the company).
It does have a photo archive but it is made up of old press pictures and some from professional studios back in the past.

I will have a go at contacting them via the official channels to see what if any info they have.

I won't hold my breath though

First, i think the car wasn't brown in the first place, but gun metal grey. Second, i believe it was a Racing body. Or a standard 2-door body anyway. So it was not derived from the 031.
Just looking at the pictures i must say this car has so much similarity to the group 4 cars and less with the 031. Just only look at the lack of chrome on the car.
The drive line could be similar to group 4 cars as well. As is the engine outfit, although it be a 1452 cc engine.

Roger,

No, there has not been a proper Abarth anymore since the 131. This was really the last and the only special build Fiat Abarth ever. Before the cars were modified Fiats. And after the 131 Abarth they were as well. Even the Ritmo/Strada is not a real Abarth race car. Just some optical conversion and a modified engine.

The 131 IS the only car which was inside and outside different from a standard car. Owning one learned me that not even 10 % of the parts are equal to a normal road car. Better, it doesn't even come close to the Stradale version. Maybe 30 % is the same.

This from "Abarth Guide" by Alfred S. Cosentino, Nigensha.

and,

Mike,

Abarth did many many different cars except only modified Fiats. I think you meant here only the 70s and 80s era ???

Albert,

I mean that the 131 Abarth was the only purpose build Fiat. Specialy made bodywork, engines, drive lines, interiors, wheels, windows, etc. Even the Pirelli P7 tires were specially made for the 131. Only thing that was originally 131 was the chassis.
Of course there's the Strato's, the 037, the Delta S4, but these were Lancia's.

Mike, I meant the earlier cars as the 204 and 205A,215A, Simca Abarths 1300 and 2000, a lot of Racing cars etc. Here I mean the earlier period. I also mean the 1600 and 2200s which are in my opinion at least as much "own "Abarth as the 131. Engine from the 131 Abarth is also based on the Lampredi block.
Shall we have a nice discussion about this at home ;D

So the 035 had the same drive train as the 031. Now let's see pictures of that to prove ;) ;D ;) ;D
Does anybody have pictures to prove? :o

Here's another question for you all:

How come the mechanics couldn't get more then 230 bhp from the 1995 cc engine used in the group 4 rally cars, whilst they managed to get 315 bhp from only a 1452 cc engine with just a compressor? ??? ???

the 2 ltr group 4 engine is normal aspirated unit the other is supercharged, no idea what boost levels they were running mind you, but achievable.

Hi Chaps,   

  I used to work for Allard Turbochargers around that time, Allan Allard did a few trips to Italy with some large superchargers, one an Ro20 for 2 - 3Ltrs  and an Ro34 for upto 5Ltrs I think it was.  I imagin they tried these and then started making there own.  I can tell you we put an Ro20 on a 1500 A seres (Mini)and it made it go scaty.  So the same on a fully worked twin cam 16v,  300bhp should be well in there.

        Roger.............

Solved... ;) ;) :) :)

I sent Modern Abarth an email on Saturday night just asking for info on the 035.

No reply as yet, but its not the 1st time they have not got straight back.

It would be nice if they could tell us more. But knowing Fiat.. :-\

I?d be very curious what the boost pressure on the 1452 cc engine was and the torque achieved also.
Comparing its 7,8:1 compression ratio with the 7,5:1 of a standard Volumetrico where the 0,45 bar overpressure gives some 20% power increase,
I?d guess the boost on the little TC must have been at least 2 bar.
What do you think ?

i some of the F1 turbo cars had 2.4 bar 35 psi , so fiat would be  on par with that

Gremlino,

Any word yet from Fiat or Abarth?

2.0 bar, Would that be possible with a roots blower?
The blower itself is not compressing the air but due to its drive ratio supplying more air then the engine stroke thus creating over pressure in the manifold.
I did read that these are not really suitable for high pressure as the losses are quitte big...
would this 2.0 bar be possible with a different drive ratio?
Just a question

Henk

Just look at the size of the blower. It's huge. Could be possible to obtain 2 Bar or maybe even more.

In a word.... nothing!

I have found that since the re-born company has grown they are not bothered with general enquiries on past models.

If you ask a question relating to the current production models they give you an answer within a day or two.

When they first mooted a return of the brand the PR machine at Fiat would go into the archives and come back with at least a photo, ok it might be one you have seen many many times but it was something.

The annoying thing about the company Archive is that there are very few original pics that belong to Fiat. The majority of old photos were taken by studios contracted to Abarth, these Studios are now mostly defunct but they are in the hands of private collectors/publishers/families of Photographers.
Every so often a collection will come to light and we see a few new pics..... mostly with a copyright plastered across them. I have recently been shown a series of original private collection colour photo slides with at least 2 or 3 from the original 131 Abarth Stradale press launch but the current owner is undecided whether to sell them on or even publish them (the answer is straightforward.... sell them to me and I can put them on here!).

From Abarths re-birth (when they could be bothered to reply) Technical data appeared not to be available unless it was published elsewhere. This leads me to think that they just got company bods to trawl through the net until something relative was found to answer someones question.

All a bit frustrating but I will keep looking for new info either in publications or on the net.

I have just seen Alberts Racing&Volu aticle in Automobilismo  thread with the white 035 pic.... there must be more out there  ;)

It's frustrating. And it has always been this way. Same with parts for cars. I was Fiat mechanic for years. Trying to get hold of parts after about five years since the last release of a model always was a problem. Let alone, Abarth parts.
When I got my first 131 Racing, back in 1987, i had to go to scrapyards because the Dealer i worked with couldn't get them anymore.
What is it with Italians?  ???
Take Mercedes now. Every part from every model trough the years is still available. New. I have a W123 280 TE from 1981 and i can get any part from new stock. Fiat/Abarth should take an example from the Germans. ;)

Does anybody know the whereabouts of the 035? Maybe he could winn some information about the car. Maybe take some "important" pictures?

Graham, Mike, don't expect an answer from Abarth. I was there with my Volumetrico. First they didn't know the Volumetrico AT ALL. Answer was, nice car, but this is NO Abarth mister ;D You can imagine that after I showed an original brochure  they were surprised and we had a nice talk, testdrive in the 595 esseesse, show all building etc, But I had to tell everything about Abarth history. It works this way almost everywhere, except in Germany( and Peugeot as far as I know) These manufacturers care about their history.Sorry I forgot Alfa, there are people who also do their best. But 100 year Alfa was dramatical organised and a shame for this great marque!! Fiat doesn't care too much. Even a quite well known car historian(name in PM) who works for Fiat, cannot get in the Fiat archive. Actually that's a shame. It could be a dreamjob for me working there and organise a lot of parts to be re-manufactured. There must be a nice worldwide market for a lot of parts.
But lucky us, we are there together, to care for the cars and the history, great isn't it ;D

Like i said:getting parts for cars older then five years has always been a problem. Introducing a Fiat older ten fifteen tears also is a problem for Fiat mechanics. Everybody knows the name Abarth and then refer to 500's and 600's. Perhaps 124 spider even, but 131 Abarth... ??? ??? ??? ???
Anyway, it makes our cars special and it's great sharing the passion with another. Gives a wonderful feeling finding parts and information after along time of searching. I LOVE 131!!!!!!!

I see the John Pope Vauxhall (Aston Martain) Magnum is up for sale ?25 k - ?35K.
I think it is going to auction soon.
This amazing 70s Aston Martain V8 powerd Vauxhall Magnum is from the same era as the 131 Abarth SE035.
It has the same massive wheel arches,air ducts etc.
It is in this weeks (Classic car buyer) mag.

Yes Albert & Mike I agree that if we want info on 131 Abarth of any variety this is the place to start from (our 131 forum).

I have had more questions answered, explained on here and with more interest than from any other source  8)

I have not given up with the 035, if the ECV1 can be re-born I'm sure the 035 will re-appear at a current event too.

There is a Abarth World Meet next year and hopefully it will be there...