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Anyone know much about these, apparently some early works cars ran 1 caliper with a small drum???? certainly cant do that and some ran 2 calipers, anyone know anything about these?

Cheers

Jonathan

I HAVE ORIGINAL 256 MM DISXS WITH 2 CALIPERS

YOU MEAN YOU HAVE THEM OR YOU MEAN YOU HAVE SPARES ?


Miro

I DONT SELL I KEAP FOR SPARE.

FiatFactrory !

Thank you very much indeed. Very valuable photo for me.

I want to ask you two detailed questions egarding two part shown on the photo  (Details of my question in next post as I need to put up  three pictuires and each posts accepts only two max.)

 
Miro

Questions are:


A: diameter of the Anti sway bar


B: the following measurements of the rod ends:

C,D, F,H  and X,Y.


Very hopeful for your help with this !\

Miro.
   
 

fiatfactory

These rod ends were two female in the rear and in the front female (upper) to male (lower).

I would need the same measurements for the front.

There is one more issue.  These spherical bearings key objective waa to allow the connected parts to flex the three dimensions without effecting the strength of the conncetions.
To allow that the upper head was mounted in 90 degree turn position with respect to the lower one. However the spherical bearings must have some distances on the sides ( some swinging area ) see picture 1.

My question is : is there any spacers between the bearing and the mounting brackets (on the lower control arm and the upper bracket to anti sway bar.

If no spacers are present than the "sphere" must be sticking out ( be wider ) than the housing of the baring (see drawing)

I would be most grateful for your answer.

Miro

   

     

quite a bit wider, i'd say and it therefore eliminates the need for spacers.
that rear anty roll bar looks suspiciously like the one on 124 or lada. get under your 124 spider and take a look

djape

"QUITE A BIT"  is not accurate enough.  ;D ;D ;D

Are you saying this from the picture or a rod you have in your hand (car).

The way the picture was taken is eye-fooling as the rod si not centered on the "sphare " and thus i9t looks like it is very much wider. In reality I expect the difference to be not mote than 1.5 mm to each side.

Miro

i have taken apart and reasembled front suspension of my lada more times than i wish to remember. i can pretty mych make a scheme of it blindfolded. now i have a 124 spider sway bar taken off and prepared for instalation in my lada so i'll take a pic tomorrow and post here

(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/908/168b6s80dd2c95267825f69.jpg) (http://img691.imageshack.us/my.php?image=168b6s80dd2c95267825f69.jpg)

today was a crappy weather so i didn't fiddle around cars and parts but heres a old photo of my sway bar setup on lada.

djape

when the weather improves I need these measurements ...

Miro  

(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/465/image046p.jpg) (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image046p.jpg)
anti roll bar from 124 spider. diameter 20mm.
identical on lada, apart from fact that lada one is made of softer steel alloy so its a little bit softer

Seems all but diameter (13mm) are same as rear 131 Abarth.

djape

Looks very good !

This is something I will, use until I find an original.

 Please tlet me know from what model /year is this ?

I will try to see if I can find one locally.

Miro 

PS : Diameter is indeed different , but unless I find something thinner this will have to do  with this . At least this will never brake !

as for 124, i really don't know the year, i bought it recently from a guy that once had 124 spider.
any lada with rear wheel drive, 2101 up to 2107 which is still in production has the same anti roll bar. i guess that thicker ani roll bar will compensate for lack of stiffnes, one from abarth is probably made of much stiffer material.

djape,

progress is being made but now I concentrate on fromnt sway bar

This is what I need, any suggestions ?

The 132 sway bar looks similar ?

Any Lada equivalents ?

Miro

PS: the question od diameter. Actually gr 4 diameter is exactly as from Lada, which meant that Lada has Abarth standard sway bars !! ;D ;D ;D

M

i have several of those 132 sway bars, i'll take the measures and post here. there's also a rear sway bar from argenta turbodiesel and volumex. i menaged to track down one whole rear axle 13/43 diff, disc brakes and a sway bar all in one, it should be in my hands in a couple of days.

hope that these make sense to you
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(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9796/image018e.jpg) (http://img694.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image018e.jpg)
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8185/image019qg.jpg) (http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image019qg.jpg)
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5091/image020f.jpg) (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image020f.jpg)
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5141/image021y.jpg) (http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image021y.jpg)
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1359/image022f.jpg) (http://img715.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image022f.jpg)
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5724/image023bg.jpg) (http://img641.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image023bg.jpg)
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6278/image024n.jpg) (http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image024n.jpg)
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9007/image025r.jpg) (http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image025r.jpg)

perhaps you should look to other direction... a friend of mine who is a big fan of hunting and fishing has a fiat campagnola and he keeps claiming that rear suspension of 131 abarth is almost the same. i haven't seen it personally upclose but it makes sense

http://www.iveco.com/en-us/PressRoom/PressKits/Documents/Campagnola/Campagnola_pdf/Campagnola_EN.pdf?id=12345

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6527/ampagnolacutaway.jpg) (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ampagnolacutaway.jpg)

DJAPE,

THIS ,MAKES PERFECT SENSE !

THANK YOU


MIRO


PS: WHENEVER I OR ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS FORUM  ASKS YOU A QUESTION YOUR RESPONSE IS ALMOST IMMEDIATE, MOST COMPETENT AND DETAILED. YOU REALLY TAKE THE TIME TO HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE.  I BELIEVE I CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF ON MANY FORUM MEMBERS YOU HELPED THAT WE ALL APPRECIATE IT GREATLY! 

YOU ARE A REAL ASSET TO THIS FORUM  AND  AN EXAMPLE TO MANY OTHERS HOW TO TREAT OTHER FIAT FANS.

MY GREAT RESPECT TO YOU!

MIROSLAW   

thanks for kind words. it really wasn't much trouble since i already had it in my spare parts stash. also, i spent most of the day fiddling around my cars...