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Hi All,

I've been thinking about this for a few years and have finally come to the decision to sell the 131.

For those of you that don't know, this car is a genuine 131 Abarth Stradale that I purchased in Italy 13 years ago.

I always wanted a tarmac car and all the hard work has been done, the car needs putting back together, painting and wiring.

The shell has been seam welded, LSD, rebuilt engine, Brembo 4 pots, top adj. Konis, original Stradale and tarmac bodywork, group 4 dash, T45 historic spec cage...the list goes on and on!


Genuine interested parties only please. The price is firm, so no offers.

jonathan@group4wheels.com or 00 44 (0) 7971 988 735


Thanks

Jonathan

Added are a few pictures before car was stripped before it was due to be painted.

Car comes with Stradale & Tarmac bodywork.

An incomplete car that requires work for ?25k  :o :o In as Mervyn King calls it, the worst downtun since the 30's or ever  :'( :'(. Best of Luck  ;D :D :o

thats alot of money for unfinished car.........why not finish it like you say all the hard work has been done

Or someone else could finish it and ask ?60k for it ;)

Dave if there was buyers for 60k that person would finish it quick time

I have no opinion on the sale price of this car but.
There is a Fiat 131 Abarth 16v engine head for sale just now on subitio i think and its 12,000e.
I wonder what the guy will sell the bottom end for ?

Early 2010 was the last time i saw a genuine Abarth for sale and that was in Australia, there is one on car and classic not sure it was Genuine, it was in the allitalia livery and its been for sale for a year and a half but the price is not listed.


There is always some one who is willing to pay big money but in my humble opinion detailed info and detailed pictures sell a car.

I won't comment on Jonathan's ?25k asking price either - it's all subjective and I'm sure there are a great many parts and a lot or work done to the shell that reflect that asking sum, however I would just say that there is a completed 'Group 4' replica (originally a red Stradale) in Jersey which has been used in competition, which was/is for sale, a very well known car in Abarth circles, which is immediately usable and comes with lots of spares, for the asking price of ?50k Sterling - so you pay your money and take our choice ;) ;D

For someone who 'won't comment on the ?25k asking price'  :) :), there appears to be a great deal of comment ;) ;D :D

Ever considered a career in politics  ;D ;) 8) :-*

What is it with those f****** replica's. You own an original Stradale and trash it into a replica. In my opinion then it is NOTHING anymore ???

Being from the Netherlands I assume English is not your first language Albert, I think the word you're looking for is "Wrecklica".

sorry guys but it's not a f****** replica , all Group 4 car's have as base chassis from stradale!

Saluti Enzo  ;)

Enzo, of course I expected your reaction ;D ;D

I know what you mean, but they are done by Fiat in the 70s, early 80s. I simply don't understand why people convert an original delivered Stradale nowadays. You know my meaning about using of original good cars and converting.

Hi Albert,

yes i know that though, but if you want rallying with an Gr.4 Abarth this is the only way to make a real Gr.4 Abarth! or if you found an Original Gr.4 Abarth and spend 200.000 Euro.    :'(

http://hrrc.forumotion.net/t6-fiat-131-abarth-jonathan-sage

But i am sure that Jonathan have all the Original Stradale part's to rebuild it.   :-*

Saluti Enzo  ;)

Rob131 Two 131 Sports sold in Dec last year for ?10,000 that is why i have no opinion on the asking price of a Stradale or Abarth asking price.

We should all hold judgement on this Abarth 131 unless we see this car in the flesh or at least if any of us were genuinly intrested see pictures of the standard of work which has been done and what is left to do.

I have to ask also is this car still in LHD form or is it converted to RHD ?

Simon i remember that genuine Abarth you are on about it was in blue and yellow in Olio Fiat livery and it was ?50,000 it was for sale a long time then dissapeared never did heard if it sold or not ??

Hi All,

I don't really want to waste my time, I'll just say that I've had half a dozen genuine enquiries from around the world and am currently dealing with the first one who got in contact and it looks as if the car will be sold shortly and going abroad.


Regards

Jonathan

Good luck selling Jonathan!

A perfect and original Racing really can go through the 10K barrier nowadays guys, but as with all other cars there are not to many good original cars around and there is still trash on the market where the owner thinks he has gold. Last year I spended 2 weeks looking for Racings in Italy and I saw quite a few cars. A good one, a very acceptable one and a sorry one. The last one not the cheapest and still for sale. Came up also at this forum. Looks decent but..... I made a lot of pictures of course to prove it. After Italy I went further to see even more cars, that's an interesting story I will tell later with pictures I think.

Appologies for my late reaction to this topic, but i really would like to comment on this one.
Being the owner of a 131 Abarth group 4 car and purchasing every kind of information over 25 years, i would like to tell this again to everybody on the forum: A GROUP 4 CAR IS NOT A CONVERTED STRADALE! Not done by the factory anyways. All original factory cars were just shells from the production line. Next to those there were about 400 Stradale's.
So, if you have a converted Stradale, it must be done by privateers.

No comments on the price here. My car is not finished for a long time and should i want to sell it, it will only bring me about 10.000. But when it's finished the price could be around 150.000... ::) That's in Euro's. But that's relative. It just takes 1 person with enough money and the will to buy any car... ;)

Jonathan, did i miss any pictures here? I would really like to see what you're selling. :)

Mike

Hope it goes to good home and back on the road would love it but short of the old pennies. Good luck with sale Jonathan i was reading about you and car retro cars again the other day.

Any chance of pictures? Or is the car sold by now?

Hi Gents,

In Jonathan's spot I wold not listen to guys that just do the bla, bla bla, showing off their smarts. If you do not like it make am offer - don't criticize the asking price. Follow the oriental tradition of bargaining , not occidental one of bragging...  

However , the sale offer offer would be nice to include at least some pictures. Have you put the car together is is it still in parts.

To me an unfinished project (being sold as a set) is worth less than total value of all the parts. I have made a calculation once on this forum showing the cost of rebuilding original Gr4. car. If this is to be done right the cost is outrageous, well exceeding 150.000  Euro

Note that the original cost of a Gr 4 was ca 50.000 US dollars ( back in 1976 !). The unfinished project is just as good as a determination of a maniac (like we all are) to finish it for pleasure - not for profit .

I strongly suggest reading the "Build costs 131 Abarth Replica - guide and experiences"  

Re : F***** replicas : I will not trade my replica for a genuine  gr.4  abandoned or unfinished project. Enzo , could not agree with you more.

Miro  

I know it will sound like anathema, but braking it up and selling it in pieces would bring you a better price Jonathan. I would certainly be interested in few pricey bits.

M    

this was the answer to  ??? Miro

Enzo,

For sure this was not a reaction for Miro!! Both your cars belong to the most realistic and careful built examples. That was for sure not my point. I also don't wanna react like a lot of people do at the forums: talk when you are not interested yourself.
My point here and a lot of times before is that for me it is a pity that good genuine cars are taken apart to make a replica. This is the case with much more makes as only the 131s we are talking about here, for instance with Escorts, Commodores, Ascona's, R5 Turbo's, Alpine A110 Stradale,Lancia Stratos Stradale. For sure the list is much, much longer. I simply cannot believe an original 131 Abarth or Stratos Stradale still is taken to do a repro, even if the repro is the nicest piece you could dream of. That was here again my point. For me it is a pity an original genuine 131 Abarth Stradale is used for a conversion. Of course everybody can do with his car what he want, but that is simply my personal opinion.
I also know from recently that a Racing Volumetrico is taken apart to to a repro, as well as a very good Racing sold for 8K! For me that is incredibly bad news.

I certainly hope so ( ;D)

I do see your point clearly and share at least a grave reservation to turning a genuine Stradale into  a current day Gr4. replica.

However , if I had an original Stradale I would be facing a grave dilema. I would probably keep it , without  making  it into Gr4.  On the other hand I would be awfully tempted to rally it.

It would probably seriously consider gr. B (assuming I would not have to do anything to damage originality of Stradale).

We have to remember that it is good that many of us hold strong views and opinions, and defend them. But we also have to remember that what other do with their property is their own business. Definitely liking it is not an obligation and keeping your mouth shut is not an obligation either.

This what makes the discussion here live and interesting ...

Miro     

     

So true Miro ;D

Hi All,

Due to not being able to come to a mutual date that suited all parties, even with ferries being booked, this car is still available.

Please e-mail me at jonathan@group4wheels.com or by phone on 00 44 (0)7971 988 735 if you're interested.

I'm hoping to get some pictures of the car later this week and will post them up, in the mean time here are a couple of the engine sat in my garage.


Regards

Jonathan

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