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So, if the Jersey 131 abarth Gr4 rep is ?50k what on earth would this genuine one cost?

http://www.classic-road.com/listing/fiat-131-abarth-gr-iv-ex-works-with-antonio-zanini-european-vice-rally-champion-and-spanish-rally-champion/ (http://www.classic-road.com/listing/fiat-131-abarth-gr-iv-ex-works-with-antonio-zanini-european-vice-rally-champion-and-spanish-rally-champion/)

Over 100k easy.

If this is really the one, driven by Zanini, then it is worth between 140K en 150K. There were two works cars that went to spain for rallying. They were called SEAT, but were in fact two from the first series.

I'm not getting into any pricing debates.

I always lose :'( :'( :'(

Rob,

It's not a debate. That's the price a genuine group 4 car costs. One could debate if it's worth that price, but that's what they are sold for.

Would you believe this car was offered to me a couple of years ago? Couldn't afford it. :-\

I was looking at the original of this car mid last year ago.

Please bear in mind that the Jersey 'replica' is in fact a genuine Stradale underneath. It's the fact that it's been made to look like a Group 4 car that makes it a replica  ;)

I live on Jersey so know of this car and also that's its a stradale so was only loosely using the term rep in respect of it's GR4 look/enhancements. It's an awesome thing if you ever get the chance to see it. Price wise, I don't know where it sits. What does a 131 Stradale usually go for these days?

A Stradale's price depends on it's state. 30K for a nice one and 40K for a perfect example. Everything in between depends on seller and buyer.

I've seen Tim's car several times before - there are not many genuine 131 Abarth's about so those of us who own one tend to know other 'local' owners. ;D

I think you're being a bit 'low' with your valuation of Stradales, Mike. I think they are changing hands for a few grand more than you are suggesting. I wouldn't describe mine as perfect at all but would value it at around ?40k. (In fact the renown Abarth Specialist Tony Castle-Miller from Middle Barton Garage valued my car at ?45k having seen it only two weeks ago  ;)). I would be unsurprised to see a perfect one go for more than ?50k. In fact I know of a very low mileage Stradale in Switzerland that is currently for sale and there is a serious buyer at ?75k!!! :o :o That car is mint though, and hardly been used.

Lots of figures being quoted here, which is unusual for this forum ;) ;)

What then is a restored, useable in good but not mint condition LHD Sport / Racing worth in one of the original colours.

I know it's an old topic but I would appreciate people's 'current' opinions. Classic car magazines indicate around 3k  :o :o. I wish

About 7 years ago i sold my red Stradale for 36.000 Euro's. The car had a set of twin 500 mm carbs and special suspension. Some extra gauges and bucket seats with Sabelt seatbelts.
Now, 7 years later it is very possible the price is up. We discusted this before. It all depends on what anybody is willing to pay. If i had me a 40K i would surely persue a Stradale. But i don't and besides, i need every f ;)  :D king Euro for my group 4 car, which will be "worth" around 150.000 Euro's when it's finished. This is the price they go for. But i'm not planning to sell my baby.
Good Racings/Sports will go for around 10K. There's always someone who's willing to pay that money. Not here in Holland though. :-\

I'd very much like to get a UK sport at some point. I think the Classic Car magazine price guides are often very low or well behind the times. For a good Sport I'd be still interested at ?10k, for a mint one even more, possibly way more. Still good value when you compare to Rs2000, etc. It seems UK cars don't come up very often so if you really want to buy one, then I would expect to have to pay a good price to persuade one of the very few owners out there to actually sell.

There was a debate a few months ago regarding RS 2000 prices in comparison with 131 Sports.

A mint RS had been auctioned off last year and as I can recall fetched under 10k. That would indicate that 131 Sport prices are higher provided they are being acheived.

The problem is there are more 131 Sport buyers then cars.

As much as I like Lancia Beta's, Fiat Strada 130 TC's, Lancia Delta's and various Alfas, it has to be a 131 for me.

I agree with the vast majority of what's been said above, with a crucial difference.

Rob,

Your comment about there being more 131 Sport buyers than there are cars might be true on certain levels, however most 131 Sport buyers in the UK are not prepared to pay what is fast becoming the going rate for one.

I concur with Mike that a "good" - by which I mean "useable without restoration" Sport/Racing will go for c.?10k, but "very good" cars will fetch far more than that. Original factory colour and spec, RHD cars will always attract a premium here in the UK (whether restored or not) as this sort of car is extremely rare - which is why when Kev131 and I were looking for a good 131 Sport for a smaller budget we looked further afield - both of us chose LHD cars (my silver Racing from Italy and his Orange Sport from Germany) as there was more choice and generally the cars were cheaper. There's always a compromise.

Simon,

I have absolutely no idea how sales are going in the UK or Ireland, or any other country for that matter. I'm sure a "perfect" Racing/Sport will go for 10K or even more. But here in Holland the car is unsellable. Many times i tried to sell my Walter R?hrl and lots of times i spoke with people interested. But my asking price of 8.000 was even too high. As always people want the best for as less money as possible.
Now, with economics almost dropped down below zero, it's just impossible to sell. In previous years it was possible to buy a car older then 25 years without having to pay taxes. People build in a LPG system in and drove very cheap.
This is turned back now, so it isn't interesting anymore to buy an old car. A friend of mine has an orange Racing which is for sale a couple of years now. Mine is as well (for the right price  ;)), but there seems to be no market for any 131 anymore. Parts are scarse and dealers don't have anything in stock, which turns off a lot of maybe potential buyers.
It's really sad  :'(

I 'm daily looking on car trading sites and asking prices for a good 131 sport/racing are between 8.000 and 10.000 euro.

In Belgium its still cheap to own and ride an oldimer: 61,50 euro to get the car on the road and 34,38 euro tax a year.

I want to buy one but I haven't got the money and my garage is rented out.
All my money goes to investments to avoid tax   ;)

The crisis isn't over jet, it's just begun.........

funnily enough, was reading an article today in the newspaper saying that the wealthy French are all moving  to Belgium including a certain Gerard Depardieu as a result of the high taxes in France.

Depardieu went to Russia  :D

apparently he's taken Russian nationality and Belgium tax residency according to the London Evening Standard today. Of course, he could have come to Jersey -  we have no road taxes, 5% vat(gst), 20% income tax maximum and no annual ITV/MOT for our cars +  cheaper petrol/diesel. The price we pay for all of this is living on an island 9 miles by 5 miles wide with maximum speed limits of 40 mph!!!

Surely he should not come to Holland. The only thing we citizens don't have to pay for is the air that we breathe...yet  ;)

I think they've already introduced that tax in the UK!!!