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hi,i'm looking for a n/s <passenger> door for my project.need not be perfect,just better than the nothing i have now.

frightening price  :(

http://www.ebay.it/itm/FIAT-131-ABARTH-VOLUMETRICO-PORTA-DESTRA-NUOVA-ED-ORIGINALE-DELLEPOCA-/251302972592?pt=Ricambi_automobili&hash=item3a82d30cb0&_uhb=1

That new door would still need the skin removed to treat the bare steel thats between the skin & the door frame thats right bare steel no paint so that equals rust! ;)

I know :o what we threw away years ago is now gold >:(
 look what i had to do to get a n/s door for the green thing :'(
 my mate described it as "Knitting fog" ;D

I'm bloody amazed you salvaged these doors Sid :o fair play to you

Well, I have been working whole winter to produce dozens of 131 parts for sale. The reason I wrote in the other thread that "its tough business" is that in couple of months I will have the 2d door skin pressings ready. Its not an easy project to press the doors as they are done at factories. But, hopefully before summer I have them done and for sale. The pieces will be drawn to CAD, then lasercut to have all correct holes and openings, then pressed to shape.

Here you can see my first bodypanel project, I drilled it away from -75 2d. Now Im drawing it to CAD. I will draw 5mm holes to places its spotwelded in factory, so you can "spotweld" it with MIG/MAG welder. No seam welding needed so it look original. I can also cut them without "spotwelding" holes if you wish. All mounting holes, screws, flanges or what ever can be made. I hope I will have first prototype done at next week, I can put pics here.  Price would be around 20-25?/each and delivery to UK in around 20? up to 2kg.

What you think? Could somebody need 2d steel pieces  :)

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Hello,

It is the only things that make me worry about my gr.4 replica project. Once upon a time I bid for 2 light blue colour doors for my project (hoping they are better condition that I have) but couldn 't bought them (idiot ebay settings  >:( .)

Anyway if it will be a reasonable price range (I don 't mean bargain just reasonable) I think that most of the 2 door 131 owners will going to buy even for spare.

I hope you can manage to manufacture them in oem quality and right price range 131rally.

cheers from sunny Cyprus.

Ali

I think it could be aprox 100?/each. What you think, is it a fair price? The tooling cost is thousands/door...

Hello,

I think it is really fair and reasonable, I hope you will also quote reasonable shipping / delivery cost because I live in Northern Cyprus  ;D

anyway do you going to offer aluminum type or only steel ?

hey guys lets have a list in order to help 131rally to estimate how many potential purchaser is in this forum.


if we are going to have list about this

1- Cypriot ( I want both side right / left )  ;D


cheers

Ali

n.b am I understand right door skins for coupe models / 131 racing / sport ?

Hi Marko,

please put me in for at least one set of doors  :)

1- Cypriot (one set)
2- Heini131 (one set)

Hi!
I would like a set as well!

Alf

1- Cypriot (one set)
2- Heini131 (one set)
3- 131 Lover (one set)

Hi Pawel

Please put me in at least two set of doors

1- Cypriot (one set)
2- Heini131 (one set)
3- 131 Lover (one set)
3- Bubu125 (two set) 

Hey 131rally I hope see these posts 8)

Looks like there is need for doorskins. I visited my friends machine shop. He has 200 tonn press which Im going to use for pressing the parts. Its five meters high, two meters wide and one meter deep. Large enough for pressing door skins. I will start making the molds straight away. Its pretty harsh tooling, it will weight atleast 100kg..  But once its done properly I can have them pressed pretty nicely. The good thing is I can make them from any soft metal, aluminum, mild steel and so on, propably also galvanized and/or zinc plated. The nice thing will be also that I can have them done with, or without the holes in the middle of the door. For Abarth without and for the others with the holes.

And "Cypriot", they will be 2d doors. I have one pair of 1975 doors, and one pair of Racing doors. I will measure them both to see if there are any differences. The mold will be CNC machined so I should be able to make exact pairs for left and right. If I start straight away, I may be able to press first door in two months  :-\

If there is a forum member who has been working in metal pressing processes, contact through PM, all help will be appreciated.

Hello, something known in the subject door?

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Bubu, why don't you try Tomasz (Walezy)? He produces doorskins in glassfibre. No rust  :) Or do you need complete doors?

I know it does with plastic but I am looking for metal doors to 131 I'm not building a racing version only civil and wants as little as possible to have plastic components.

Week ago I took my -75 door to 3D CAD pro, he will draw a door so I can have the pressings machined. I hope it will work out fine. Will take couple of months though, its going to cost a fortune to make them.

Hello,

Any news about door skins ? My vehicle will going to go the garage for paint next week if there will be aluminum or galvanized or standart metal I want to buy a pair set.

Please update us

Cyp

Yep, I have news. I took the door to a man who does 3d CAD files. The door was there for over a month and he didnt do anything. So, I made a lot of investigations and found a company which makes 3d scans for even car factories. I sent my best door to them yesterday. I hope I will get 3d scan and modelling next week. I will buy the CAD file from them too, so we will have  so good simulation of the door you can imagine  ;D Right after I have all the files, I will order the stampings from CNC machineshop. The whole process will cost thousand of ?, but if I want them to be correct, there is no other way.

At the same scanning they will scan and simulate the whole door, inside too. So, later I will make the insides also. And the whole door too. Hopefully you can understand how slow these things can be. To make it fast it would cost 50-150% more.

Though, Im thinking if I should make something smaller first. The stamping tools are so expensive I wouldnt like to make them twice. I would like you people tell me what is something worth making? And smaller than door. Ive been thinking to make C-pillar as a test, but I will listen you people too. This isnt my first pressing, Ive been pressing quite a lot of stuff, brackets, cups etc so I have a little knowledge from what Im doing. But nothing this magnitude earlier, and not by this method.

Hello,

Its good to hear that you didn't cancel manufacturing door skins, door skins and complete doors are the most desired parts which enthusiast couldnt find and every 131 racing owner will need at least door skin if they want to keep car in perfect condition.

Please let me know when you are ready to sell door skins

Cheers

Ali

I would just check that Kevin at RSD in Yorkshire isn't reproducing 'C' pillars? I had heard he is, plus I think he's doing ali door skins.

Im well aware of both of these RSD items. Last time I heard the C-pillar was a partial piece for making 4d pillar look like 2d. What I was thinking was to make complete pressing of the original 2d pillar. That is a bit different thing. Forexample if you have crashed or rusty 2d C-pillar the complete pressing might be a better solution. And, ofcourse anyone can call to RSD for the parts, Im not telling you shouldnt.  :)

But, is there any other piece that is hard to get, and smaller than door?

Lots of panels are not avaliable i found it very hard to get a reasonably priced bootlid & bonnet for the ex green stink & only just sourced 2nd hand ones ;)

The door is now scanned and I have the first file. Next week they will make the CAD file. Then I can move on.

So will you be able to supply new steel doors?

The plan is to make stampings of the outer skin of the other door first. If everything goes fine, then outer skin of the other side. If there are people who actually will buy the doorskins, and if it looks like I can pay the stampings, I will make the bottom and inside too. After I have all stampings made I may put them together too, so maybe even complete doors. Ive been making smaller stampings for the g.4 project so I have some experience of stamping sheetmetal. Now Im starting to have the Abarth differential front mountingbrackets stamped. The tools are done but Im waiting the test pieces from lasercut. Sid131, are you interested? You have lots of experience of these things, maybe you want the first part and tell us how it is?

3d scanning looks like this. It has 2,5million points. It can be rotated to all directions, this is just a screenshot.

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Marko i have 2 new doors for the next racing project but for the project after that i only have drivers door that needs a new skin & some repairs to the frame which i can do, so after that i dont know but would be interested in a new skin drivers side,
i know the process involved in setting up the making of doors & skins but you are going to have to invest ?1000s will you be able to sell the parts to cover costs?

Reason i ask is that i have some 4 door nos skins & reskinned front doors but no one is interested  ???

Life is gambling! We will see. Atleast I will have my own aludoors done right.

Good stuff you do good work i see your alloy welding on facebook i used to do lots of alloy welding in fact lots of welding copper brass stainless alloy steel for years but now eyesight not what it used to be so may stop in a few years ;)