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Hello everybody,

anyone out there without sat nav in need of detailed description how to get to the hotel?

Very important for all attendees:
On the way from motorway / autobahn A81 to Black Forest we spotted a hell lot of speed traps on the recces. I guess it looks the same when using motorway / autobahn A5.
City of Lo?burg introduced a reduced speed limit for urban area of 40 km/h recently and is now controlling it frequently.
So behave like usual and drive save, i.e. use ohv/ohc speed instead of TC or even abarth speed  ;)

At the moment the provisional driving routes are looking like this:
Friday:
Hotel Traube in Lossburg -> Hotel Hofgut Sternen in Breitnau:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Gartenweg&daddr=L412+to:Alpirsbacher+Str.%2FL410+to:Heimliswald%2FK5531+to:L175+to:B500+to:47.916026,8.072634&hl=de&geocode=FSix4gIdsACBAA%3BFSwN4gId0mWBAA%3BFRGu4QIdUnmBAA%3BFSLN4AIdqiCAAA%3BFcqv3QId3j5-AA%3BFQdR3AIdD6R8AA%3B&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=6&sz=15&via=1,2,3,4,5&sll=47.918298,8.08053&sspn=0.014179,0.027595&ie=UTF8&ll=48.208202,8.278198&spn=0.90237,1.766052&z=9
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Gartenweg&daddr=L412+to:Alpirsbacher+Str.%2FL410+to:Heimliswald%2FK5531+to:L175+to:B500+to:47.916026,8.072634&hl=de&geocode=FSix4gIdsACBAA%3BFSwN4gId0mWBAA%3BFRGu4QIdUnmBAA%3BFSLN4AIdqiCAAA%3BFcqv3QId3j5-AA%3BFQdR3AIdD6R8AA%3B&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=6&sz=15&via=1,2,3,4,5&sll=47.918298,8.08053&sspn=0.014179,0.027595&ie=UTF8&ll=48.208202,8.278198&spn=0.90237,1.766052&z=9)
Hotel Hofgut Sternen in Breitnau -> Feldberg:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Unbekannte+Stra%C3%9Fe&daddr=Feldberg%2FSchwarzwald&geocode=FdYj2wIdwC17AA%3BFbFE2gIdtKJ6ACllPXp3mvmQRzGwWN-lt2sfBA&hl=de&mra=ls&sll=47.916457,8.073986&sspn=0.00709,0.013797&ie=UTF8&z=12
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Unbekannte+Stra%C3%9Fe&daddr=Feldberg%2FSchwarzwald&geocode=FdYj2wIdwC17AA%3BFbFE2gIdtKJ6ACllPXp3mvmQRzGwWN-lt2sfBA&hl=de&mra=ls&sll=47.916457,8.073986&sspn=0.00709,0.013797&ie=UTF8&z=12)
Feldberg -> Schauinsland:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Feldberg%2FSchwarzwald&daddr=47.908417,7.892089&hl=de&geocode=FbFE2gIdtKJ6ACllPXp3mvmQRzGwWN-lt2sfBA%3B&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=16&sll=47.91,7.894149&sspn=0.007091,0.013797&ie=UTF8&ll=47.875598,7.958908&spn=0.113528,0.220757&z=12
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Feldberg%2FSchwarzwald&daddr=47.908417,7.892089&hl=de&geocode=FbFE2gIdtKJ6ACllPXp3mvmQRzGwWN-lt2sfBA%3B&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=16&sll=47.91,7.894149&sspn=0.007091,0.013797&ie=UTF8&ll=47.875598,7.958908&spn=0.113528,0.220757&z=12)
Schauinsland -> Waldkirch:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=47.908461,7.892132&daddr=Hexentalstra%C3%9Fe%2FL122+to:B3%2FB31+to:Paduaallee+to:Am+Stadtrain&hl=de&geocode=%3BFRrf2wIdoHl3AA%3BFf4s3AIdMER3AA%3BFVan3AIdoCl3AA%3BFZ3O3QIdDGx5AA&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=14&via=1,2,3&sll=47.911049,7.899942&sspn=0.030031,0.055189&ie=UTF8&ll=48.014272,7.938309&spn=0.239769,0.441513&z=11
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=47.908461,7.892132&daddr=Hexentalstra%C3%9Fe%2FL122+to:B3%2FB31+to:Paduaallee+to:Am+Stadtrain&hl=de&geocode=%3BFRrf2wIdoHl3AA%3BFf4s3AIdMER3AA%3BFVan3AIdoCl3AA%3BFZ3O3QIdDGx5AA&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=14&via=1,2,3&sll=47.911049,7.899942&sspn=0.030031,0.055189&ie=UTF8&ll=48.014272,7.938309&spn=0.239769,0.441513&z=11)
Waldkirch -> Hotel Traube in Lossburg:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Am+Stadtrain&daddr=Gartenweg&geocode=FYfO3QIdK2x5AA%3BFZ6x4gIdFgGBAA&hl=de&mra=mr&mrcr=0&sll=48.337995,8.374329&sspn=0.450044,0.883026&ie=UTF8&ll=48.274054,8.239746&spn=0.450608,0.883026&z=10
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Am+Stadtrain&daddr=Gartenweg&geocode=FYfO3QIdK2x5AA%3BFZ6x4gIdFgGBAA&hl=de&mra=mr&mrcr=0&sll=48.337995,8.374329&sspn=0.450044,0.883026&ie=UTF8&ll=48.274054,8.239746&spn=0.450608,0.883026&z=10)


Saturday:
Hotel Traube in Lossburg -> Restaurant Eyachm?hle in Dobel:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Gartenweg+3,+Lo%C3%9Fburg&daddr=B462%2FFreudenst%C3%A4dter+Str.+to:B462%2FMurgtalstra%C3%9Fe+to:Freudenst%C3%A4dter+Str.%2FK4367+to:Kaltenbronner+Str.%2FL76b+to:48.772709,8.42617+to:Eyachm%C3%BChle,+Dobel&geocode=FTKy4gIdsAGBACl9w96KVDWXRzH7LNCf4uIJ9A%3BFbjt4wIdYtd_AA%3BFQza5AIdZCWAAA%3BFWhj5gIdxBmBAA%3BFXSN5wIdmvR_AA%3B%3BFbdZ6AIdZwCCACnlO3CpWBSXRzGg9yMyP_0fCg&hl=de&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=5&sz=13&via=1,2,3,4,5&sll=48.769541,8.435783&sspn=0.055778,0.110378&ie=UTF8&ll=48.620201,8.563843&spn=0.447547,0.883026&z=10
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Gartenweg+3,+Lo%C3%9Fburg&daddr=B462%2FFreudenst%C3%A4dter+Str.+to:B462%2FMurgtalstra%C3%9Fe+to:Freudenst%C3%A4dter+Str.%2FK4367+to:Kaltenbronner+Str.%2FL76b+to:48.772709,8.42617+to:Eyachm%C3%BChle,+Dobel&geocode=FTKy4gIdsAGBACl9w96KVDWXRzH7LNCf4uIJ9A%3BFbjt4wIdYtd_AA%3BFQza5AIdZCWAAA%3BFWhj5gIdxBmBAA%3BFXSN5wIdmvR_AA%3B%3BFbdZ6AIdZwCCACnlO3CpWBSXRzGg9yMyP_0fCg&hl=de&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=5&sz=13&via=1,2,3,4,5&sll=48.769541,8.435783&sspn=0.055778,0.110378&ie=UTF8&ll=48.620201,8.563843&spn=0.447547,0.883026&z=10)
Restaurant Eyachm?hle in Dobel -> Transportation Museum in Marxzell:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Eyachm%C3%BChle,+Dobel&daddr=48.793747,8.552513+to:Holzbachtalstra%C3%9Fe%2FK4550+to:Albtalstra%C3%9Fe+2,+76359+Marxzell+(Fahrzeug-Museum+Marxzell)&geocode=FbdZ6AIdZwCCACnlO3CpWBSXRzGg9yMyP_0fCg%3B%3BFcD96AIdcoSBAA%3BFUyQ6QIdaOmAACE4f9lSL3XZUCnL5GHQrRGXRzFuc5paUPrMnQ&hl=de&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=12&via=1,2&sll=48.826079,8.513031&sspn=0.11143,0.220757&ie=UTF8&z=12
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Eyachm%C3%BChle,+Dobel&daddr=48.793747,8.552513+to:Holzbachtalstra%C3%9Fe%2FK4550+to:Albtalstra%C3%9Fe+2,+76359+Marxzell+(Fahrzeug-Museum+Marxzell)&geocode=FbdZ6AIdZwCCACnlO3CpWBSXRzGg9yMyP_0fCg%3B%3BFcD96AIdcoSBAA%3BFUyQ6QIdaOmAACE4f9lSL3XZUCnL5GHQrRGXRzFuc5paUPrMnQ&hl=de&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=12&via=1,2&sll=48.826079,8.513031&sspn=0.11143,0.220757&ie=UTF8&z=12)
Transportation Museum in Marxzell -> Mummelsee:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Albtalstra%C3%9Fe+2,+76359+Marxzell+(Fahrzeug-Museum+Marxzell)&daddr=48.840769,8.388748+to:mummelsee&hl=de&geocode=FR2P6QIdHOiAACE4f9lSL3XZUClhRgfPrRGXRzEg_Rc25lILUw%3B%3BFcCT5QIdQB99ACmNED84ECaXRzFmXmspdlDk1g&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=11&via=1&sll=48.815003,8.391495&sspn=0.222909,0.441513&ie=UTF8&ll=48.777913,8.368835&spn=0.446147,0.883026&z=10
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Albtalstra%C3%9Fe+2,+76359+Marxzell+(Fahrzeug-Museum+Marxzell)&daddr=48.840769,8.388748+to:mummelsee&hl=de&geocode=FR2P6QIdHOiAACE4f9lSL3XZUClhRgfPrRGXRzEg_Rc25lILUw%3B%3BFcCT5QIdQB99ACmNED84ECaXRzFmXmspdlDk1g&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=11&via=1&sll=48.815003,8.391495&sspn=0.222909,0.441513&ie=UTF8&ll=48.777913,8.368835&spn=0.446147,0.883026&z=10)
Mummelsee -> Hotel Traube in Lossburg:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=mummelsee&daddr=K5370%2FLierbachstra%C3%9Fe+to:B500+to:48.428745,8.400421+to:Gartenweg+3,+Lo%C3%9Fburg&geocode=FcCT5QIdQB99ACmNED84ECaXRzFmXmspdlDk1g%3BFftV5AId-Np8AA%3BFdjw4wIdAiV-AA%3B%3BFTKy4gIdsAGBACl9w96KVDWXRzH7LNCf4uIJ9A&hl=de&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=3&sz=11&via=1,2,3&sll=48.477473,8.354416&sspn=0.224406,0.441513&ie=UTF8&ll=48.504322,8.319397&spn=0.224288,0.441513&z=11
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=mummelsee&daddr=K5370%2FLierbachstra%C3%9Fe+to:B500+to:48.428745,8.400421+to:Gartenweg+3,+Lo%C3%9Fburg&geocode=FcCT5QIdQB99ACmNED84ECaXRzFmXmspdlDk1g%3BFftV5AId-Np8AA%3BFdjw4wIdAiV-AA%3B%3BFTKy4gIdsAGBACl9w96KVDWXRzH7LNCf4uIJ9A&hl=de&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=3&sz=11&via=1,2,3&sll=48.477473,8.354416&sspn=0.224406,0.441513&ie=UTF8&ll=48.504322,8.319397&spn=0.224288,0.441513&z=11)

Sunday:
Hotel Traube in Lossburg -> Museum Steim in Schramberg:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Gartenweg+3,+Lo%C3%9Fburg&daddr=48.2869563,8.4928494+to:G%C3%B6ttelbachstra%C3%9Fe+49,+Schramberg&hl=de&geocode=FTKy4gIdsAGBACl9w96KVDWXRzH7LNCf4uIJ9A%3BFezM4AIdMZeBAClfM_y64baQRzEQo5eyt2sfEw%3BFTXq3wIdChGAAClBeDp1kseQRzEPeg_AVJNf9A&mra=ls&sll=48.266741,8.447113&sspn=0.450672,0.883026&ie=UTF8&ll=48.337538,8.434753&spn=0.225025,0.441513&z=11&via=1
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Gartenweg+3,+Lo%C3%9Fburg&daddr=48.2869563,8.4928494+to:G%C3%B6ttelbachstra%C3%9Fe+49,+Schramberg&hl=de&geocode=FTKy4gIdsAGBACl9w96KVDWXRzH7LNCf4uIJ9A%3BFezM4AIdMZeBAClfM_y64baQRzEQo5eyt2sfEw%3BFTXq3wIdChGAAClBeDp1kseQRzEPeg_AVJNf9A&mra=ls&sll=48.266741,8.447113&sspn=0.450672,0.883026&ie=UTF8&ll=48.337538,8.434753&spn=0.225025,0.441513&z=11&via=1)
Museum Steim in Schramberg -> Titisee-Neustadt (no stop):
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Schmiedgasse&daddr=48.229762,8.403511+to:L181+to:Ringstra%C3%9Fe+1,+Titisee-Neustadt&geocode=FYrp3wId3QmAAA%3B%3BFfI83QId6IyAAA%3BFb4n2wIdLEJ9ACkjH0a6iPGQRzFAQb6nu7NE8w&hl=de&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=15&via=1,2&sll=48.230047,8.392954&sspn=0.014923,0.027595&ie=UTF8&ll=47.911251,8.216894&spn=0.007508,0.013797&t=h&z=16
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Schmiedgasse&daddr=48.229762,8.403511+to:L181+to:Ringstra%C3%9Fe+1,+Titisee-Neustadt&geocode=FYrp3wId3QmAAA%3B%3BFfI83QId6IyAAA%3BFb4n2wIdLEJ9ACkjH0a6iPGQRzFAQb6nu7NE8w&hl=de&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=15&via=1,2&sll=48.230047,8.392954&sspn=0.014923,0.027595&ie=UTF8&ll=47.911251,8.216894&spn=0.007508,0.013797&t=h&z=16)
Titisee-Neustadt -> Schluchsee:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Ringstra%C3%9Fe+1,+Titisee-Neustadt&daddr=L156%2FSchluchseestra%C3%9Fe+to:47.817823,8.175845&hl=de&geocode=Fb4n2wIdLEJ9ACkjH0a6iPGQRzFAQb6nu7NE8w%3BFSBd2gIdOOZ8AA%3B&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=2&sz=15&via=1&sll=47.820157,8.177347&sspn=0.015042,0.027595&ie=UTF8&ll=47.818284,8.179622&spn=0.015042,0.027595&t=h&z=15
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Ringstra%C3%9Fe+1,+Titisee-Neustadt&daddr=L156%2FSchluchseestra%C3%9Fe+to:47.817823,8.175845&hl=de&geocode=Fb4n2wIdLEJ9ACkjH0a6iPGQRzFAQb6nu7NE8w%3BFSBd2gIdOOZ8AA%3B&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=2&sz=15&via=1&sll=47.820157,8.177347&sspn=0.015042,0.027595&ie=UTF8&ll=47.818284,8.179622&spn=0.015042,0.027595&t=h&z=15)
Schluchsee -> Titisee:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=47.817823,8.175459&daddr=Bruderhalde%2FK4962&geocode=%3BFRze2gIdckN8AA&hl=de&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=14&sll=47.825085,8.167648&sspn=0.030081,0.055189&ie=UTF8&ll=47.870316,8.095454&spn=0.003757,0.006899&t=h&z=17
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=47.817823,8.175459&daddr=Bruderhalde%2FK4962&geocode=%3BFRze2gIdckN8AA&hl=de&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=14&sll=47.825085,8.167648&sspn=0.030081,0.055189&ie=UTF8&ll=47.870316,8.095454&spn=0.003757,0.006899&t=h&z=17)
Titisee -> Hotel Traube in Lossburg:
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Bruderhalde%2FK4962&daddr=48.294158,8.261032+to:Gartenweg+3,+Lo%C3%9Fburg&geocode=FRze2gIdckN8AA%3B%3BFSix4gId4AKBACkdeEL2VDWXRzGmyJ9JHB8djA&hl=de&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=11&via=1&sll=48.241138,8.33107&sspn=0.238713,0.441513&ie=UTF8&ll=47.927156,8.193741&spn=0.120087,0.220757&t=h&z=12
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Bruderhalde%2FK4962&daddr=48.294158,8.261032+to:Gartenweg+3,+Lo%C3%9Fburg&geocode=FRze2gIdckN8AA%3B%3BFSix4gId4AKBACkdeEL2VDWXRzGmyJ9JHB8djA&hl=de&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=11&via=1&sll=48.241138,8.33107&sspn=0.238713,0.441513&ie=UTF8&ll=47.927156,8.193741&spn=0.120087,0.220757&t=h&z=12)

Monday (to be detailed):
http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=lo%C3%9Fburg,+gartenweg+3&daddr=Marktplatz+1,+Alpirsbach+to:L410+to:48.457897,8.486252+to:Alte+Poststra%C3%9Fe+17,+herzogsweiler+to:K%C3%A4lberbronn,+Pfalzgrafenweiler+to:Nagoldtalsperre+to:K4732+to:lo%C3%9Fburg,+gartenweg+3&geocode=FTKy4gIdsAGBACl9w96KVDWXRzH7LNCf4uIJ9A%3BFVKx4QIdoDeAACnRmhBuOsqQRzFx2n_8vEIV6Q%3BFSj74QIdby2CAA%3B%3BFY8w5AIdZjKCAClL11odpEmXRzFtwxzP-rXyMw%3BFRyY5AId8pSBACn7GksS1zeXRzEQ7NsRR45VOA%3BFYLm5AId4ZyBACkJ-2PY5DeXRzGA76ERuGsfKg%3BFS8d5QIduZiBAA%3BFTKy4gIdsAGBACl9w96KVDWXRzH7LNCf4uIJ9A&hl=de&mra=dpe&mrcr=1&mrsp=3&sz=11&via=2,3,7&sll=48.431934,8.564529&sspn=0.268345,0.529404&ie=UTF8&z=11
 (http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=lo%C3%9Fburg,+gartenweg+3&daddr=Marktplatz+1,+Alpirsbach+to:L410+to:48.457897,8.486252+to:Alte+Poststra%C3%9Fe+17,+herzogsweiler+to:K%C3%A4lberbronn,+Pfalzgrafenweiler+to:Nagoldtalsperre+to:K4732+to:lo%C3%9Fburg,+gartenweg+3&geocode=FTKy4gIdsAGBACl9w96KVDWXRzH7LNCf4uIJ9A%3BFVKx4QIdoDeAACnRmhBuOsqQRzFx2n_8vEIV6Q%3BFSj74QIdby2CAA%3B%3BFY8w5AIdZjKCAClL11odpEmXRzFtwxzP-rXyMw%3BFRyY5AId8pSBACn7GksS1zeXRzEQ7NsRR45VOA%3BFYLm5AId4ZyBACkJ-2PY5DeXRzGA76ERuGsfKg%3BFS8d5QIduZiBAA%3BFTKy4gIdsAGBACl9w96KVDWXRzH7LNCf4uIJ9A&hl=de&mra=dpe&mrcr=1&mrsp=3&sz=11&via=2,3,7&sll=48.431934,8.564529&sspn=0.268345,0.529404&ie=UTF8&z=11)

We're having some "options" and a few "short-cuts" in standby.

Work on road book is still in progress. It will be tulip (?) style: (http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4360/tulipu.jpg)


Regards,
Ren?

saturday ,Restaurant Eyachm?hle in Dobel -> Transportation Museum in Marxzell:
 don't we go right past the unimog factory....