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Hi,

this will be an nice 131 Abarth Stradale replica! this guy from Austria disassembled an 4 door,
and an very rusty 2 door 131.
To rebuild an 2 door Abarth,  very interesting pictures.
And it looks a lot off work!

Enzo  ;)

next!

And next!

when i see the date on the pictures! i think this guy is very fast!  :P

the next step! and it looks very impressive.  ;)

It sure does....Please keep the pictures coming Enzo ... :)

Respect for the job, looks a very impressive job. Enzo, keep posting please!

Wow some fabrication there!

Very interesting...keep on posting.

Sev131

Hi,

left side is finished!  ;)

Hi,

and now the right side it's in progress!

Enzo  ;)

some progress from the right side!  ;)

Crazy work , very impressive , bravo ;)

Amazing work going on there  :o
It's going to be a good one ..

a very heavy metal work! but it looks a work like an expert!

it's going on with reinforce the side!

and now mount the side panels! slowly it looks like an Abarth Stradale.

after some time there is a little bit work done!

and rebuild from floor panel.  :)

Hello,

I guess you all know Guy from Begium (Abarth-GMR)

when I convert my 131 Racing to Gr.4 replica (not finished yet) I put reinforcement parts according to Guy 's website which really help body to hold its rigidity and keep fiberglass rear wings tight / vibration free on vehicle.

see attached picture

This is a pic from Guy Moerenhout and from Original Abarth!  ::)

Hello,

you are right, I remember now (my project was standby for 4 years and I forgot)

my vehicle reinforcement is like this now.

I didnt put ~45 degree vertical one (ı put red lower one like the one in red color) which is in front of the wheel. I dont remember why I did like this? it might be a disturb rear braker air cooling pipes, really dont remember

some progress!

Nice work, Enzo  :o

Hi Mike,
it's not my work! it's from a guy in Austria i give him some help with information.
about Abarth Replica build,  but never ending welding is finished!

Enzo  ;)

now the shell is finished and goes to paint shop!

Nice work. I'm really interested in the end result. Keep us posted.

nice transporting to paint shop, and finish with epoxy primer!

and back in workshop!  ;D

It starts to look like a car, what a job.................

after a long time some progress news.  ;)

Still going strong on this project. I like it very much. Looks like the owner is a proffessional craftsman. Like i said before, i am really interested in the end result.
Any news of the engine and other technical parts, Enzo?

@Mike
No engine and technical works,  he will finished first the body!
i am also your mind, he did a good job.
Some fibreglass parts are mounted! suits well  :-[

Hi Enzo,

The bodywork looks really nice. Is the dark blue the final colour? Personally i think that would be a shame. Ofcourse i d on't know the plans of the owner, but if he is building himself a Stradale replica then red, licht blue or yellow would be better.
But if he is after a group 4 replica then all white would be the thing.
What about all those dark red spots everywhere?
Keep posting  :)

Hi Mike,
the owner would like to make this "look pic"!
he did the body paint in RAL 9010 white.
the fibre parts are black not dark blue
at moment the shell is paint with white primer and the red spots are anti-rust paint.
Enzo

Hi Enzo,

So it's black. I thought it was dark blue from the pictures. :D
It will be a Alitalia replica? That's nice. I once had one. Was a real headturner everywhere i came with it.
I'm sure, after all i have seen untill thus far, the owner will make himself a beautiful replica. I will keep following your thread. ;)

Mike

Enzo this is a fantastic thread and really intresting, this guy has done some real good work keep the updates and pictures coming.

and now another pic from today!
all glass fibre parts are mounted and also the grill
now begins the horrible work with the clearance!  :-[

some work done but he curse about the matching accuracy!
always the same problem with cheap glass fibre parts  :(

I'm back :) and planning on doing the same with my 1.4 S3... I'm just scared about chopping the pillars out :S

Hi Enzo

This build is a credit to your efforts.  I'm sure the final car will look great.

Can I ask if you removed and replaced the sills as part of the rebuild?  I have checked the pictures and I can't see that any strengthening was added at that time.  The original 2 door shells have an extra 'diaphragm' plate behind the sill.  This extra layer was added by Fiat to the Sport/Racing shells.  I'm not sure if the same was true on the basic 2 door models, but Fiat considered it necessary to add extra bracing in the door aperture.  This measure would help to reduce flexing in the shell.

The extra layer is only present between the A pillar and the B pillar.

Thanks
Duncan

Hi Duncan,

i think the basic shell it's the same but there are all parts from an 2 door are welded into the 4 door look side one!
have you a picture from that you mean?

Enzo

Duncan, I assume you think this topic is about Enzo's car? It isn't, Enzo is reporting on a conversion carried out in Austria.

The diaphragm part you mean might be the plate between inner and outer sill, as pictured in upper part of the 1st image below. This is a part of every 2door (and 4door) shell, not only used for Racings (this new specimen provided by Yagmur). See the deteriorated original part in image #2  :o

Thanks Robert,
he mean the inner part from the sills, sure they are the same on 2 and 4 door!
but i can see your was very very bad!
what will we do without Yagmur.

Enzo  :)
 

Hi Robert

All 2 and 4 door cars have the middle sill shown in your picture. Good to know that Yagmur has new ones!

The picture of the blue car with the sill removed shows the extra panel.  The middle sill runs from the A pillar to the rear wheel arch.  The blue car then shows the extra layer which runs between the A and B pillar. 
Look at the holes on the middle sill.  Then look at the blue car.  The holes on the extra panel are round.  This extra panel is curved to fit halfway between the middle and outer sill.

This extra panel is fitted to Sport/Racing shells.  I have never had the sills off a 1400 2 door, so I'm not sure if all 2 door shells had this strength added.

Hi Duncan,

the blue car came off the production line an S2 1600 ohv automatic, it never was a Sport/Racing (now it is, somehow  ;))

(http://www.oelprinz-online.de/images/fiatforum/flughafen.jpg)

some progress!
polyester work to finish the transitions  :D

the rounding was not correct! always the same problem with glass fibre parts.  :(

some progress!

the front spoiler it's too short, and need to add some glass fibre ;D

looking good bud, I have some photo's to upload soon, progress at last and there will another abarth replica in paint by april ;D

and now with a lot of spackle on it,  now it's time go to paintshop!  :)

Again my compliments. ;)
Where you bought the glass resins and why you have not taken those of GR.4?

the parts are from Hungary! but the car is not mine it's from a guy in Austria i post here only the progress!
and he use Stradale arches because he build this car!
http://www.131mirafiori.com/smf/index.php?topic=5356.msg48589#msg48589

Enzo  ::)

I realized, you know the world is small ..................
In version gr.4 the front is not suitable, as it is also wrong the mold bonnet and boot.
It is usually better to take only the wings gr.4, while the remaining kits that of the road ;)

some progress it's priming coat on it!

...and i thought i had a lot of work on my Group 4 bodypanels, like the front.  ;)

But why isn't the rear panel fitted? And where is the bootlid?

here are the parts they have purchased in Hungary with boot lid but no rear panel!
i give him the address from Tomek but he will make his own rear panel,  we will see!

All in black? Funny. And no rear panel? That's strange.
Now the car is sprayed except for the rear panel... Might be a difference in color in the end. Not the way i would do it.

Mike,

the roof spoiler is also not incl. but its on the way.
the car is not sprayed white! it's filler light gray!!!!

Enzo  ;)

Looks like it's had a lot of preparation work before the paint started to go on. I'm sure it's going to be really straight when painted.

Shows how much work these fibreglass parts can need to make them right!

yes these fibreglass parts can make you mad!
it's a long way do make it straight!  :P
and now sprayed with joint sealant!

next step finished! underbody paint in white.

Hi All.
I have followed this Project from the first time Enzo Posted Pictures some great looking work all the way
through 8).Even though i have a Replica i don't like the idea  of a nice Sport been cut to pieces so when i
see a Four Door being Transformed into a nice looking Two Door i am all for it ;D.Robert's car for instance is
looking great and that did not start a Sport but look's Amazing.So Enzo Please keep the Pictures coming as
i am looking forward to see the Finished Car ;D.
      Willie.
   

bad news,
the result comes out of the paint booth the heat deforms the bonnet!  :-[
so we know that heat deforms glass fibre.

Hi All.
Back in April 2007 before my car went into the Spray Booth i reinforced the Bonnet and the Bootlid with
more Fiber Glass even if i say so it turned out well.Maybe this might Help.
         Willie.

jesus willie that bonnet on your car is a genuine abarth bonnet supplied to me that time from Mick Woods, it was from the spares that were supplied along with the 2 safari cars he bought  ...
hope you didn't go to heavy with the fibre glass.. :'(.
Genuine unmolested bonnet you got there..

The bonnet is made from polyester resin which will deform with heat.  That is why it has slumped.
 If you put it back in the heated booth with a flat support under that part of the bonnet, you can bend it back into shape.  Try using a small plywood support stood on a wooden block to hold the bonnet up at this point.
Be careful not to try local heating.  You run the risk of melting the paint.
The whole bonnet needs to be allowed to cool while it is still supported.

Good luck
Duncan

How high did you heat the bonnet? I have never seen this before and i did paint some of these bonnets before. Once i tried to bend a bootlid directly with a flame...didn't give an inch :o

Hi All.
Back again well Dave i had no choice as the Bonnet was starting to crack along the rise in the Bulge so the
Fiber glass was the only answer i also have a spare Bonnet with the same Problem which i am about to fix.
       Willie.

a solution for ever!

Looks good Enzo...

I presume it complies with the new European regulations on pedestrian impact...!!  ;)

Kevin,
yes absolutely safety,  but after the impact it's possible the pedestrian lost his eyes on the hood pins!
safe healthy but blind like the European regulations on pedestrian impact  ;D

after some measurements and a look with the eyes the left wing was 20 mm to small  :-[
so he decided to solve it!  before paint.

some progress!

more from progress!

finally it's white!  :D

some progress it looks it's on the right way!

next! 

I hope mine looks half as good as that, nice work.

On the rear T panel, did you replace this with a new item? I ask because I am setting mine up at the moment and trying to work out how far in or out it must be?

cheers

Maika

the guy who did this job use an 131 Fiat 4 door first series so it was a T light rear panel.

Hi,
I need the reference to black color to paint the interior of the car, around the motor and suitcase.

The white is RAL 9010 White, if you tell me what the reference to black i apreciate  :)

Thanks 

Gloss Black RAL 9005  ;)

Thank you very much.

When i have some time i will open topic to share photos of my project.

Regards to all.

no problem Luis,
where do you come from?
please open a topic with a lot of pic's and info
we all agog with curiosity!

Enzo  ::)

Hi Enzo,
I`m portuguese. Your cars they are gorgeous  :)

I Don`t have pictures with me, but soon i will open topic :)

Hi Luis,

is this your car?

i mean it's a Portuguese license plate.  ;)

No, this car was on the island of Madeira. My car is being restored and transformed to replicate Group 4.

Will be painted in the next few weeks.

The radio antenna (cb-funk) i asked in other topic, i already seen in many classic and also like very much.

I will go to ebay look for one  ;)

refreshing some parts and build a new engine mount!

and purchased some new parts for build off  ;D

Hi Theo,

is it better to move this thread to project corner what you mean?

saluti Enzo  :)

now the rear axle is mounted :)

some news about the progress!

Next!

some progress news,
now the engine and gearbox is back into the car  :)

next!

WOW!!  :o  thats all i can say, its really impressive the guy from Austria!!!!!!  ;)

Hi Guys,

to avoid misunderstandings

please don't forget it's not mine!
it's a Guy in Austria who did this job.
i post only the progress here!!!

it's back on the wheels
not the used wheels but for the first roll out it works  ;D

some progress  :)

detail work  :)

some exhaust modified work!

Can you explain to a non mechanic what the wrapping on the exhaust pipes is Enzo...I've seen that before somewhere.

Also the bolts..?  :)

Thanks......

"There are 3 main reasons for header wrap"

1. Looks nice

2. Less radiant heat, cuts down on heat exposure to bodywork, this helps greatly to reduce underhood temps.

3. Performance....
Header wrap retains the exhaust gas heat IN the pipe, reducing the passing by air from dropping the temp until it exits the pipe. The reason for this is increased exhaust gas velocity.....heat moves towards cold due to it's higher pressure....example, in your bathroom, turn on a space heater and run the shower full hot, leave the room and close the door, come back in five minutes and open the door, you'll get blasted in the face with the heat build up as soon as you open the door.....
The reason for wanting this effect in your engine is INTAKE SCAVENGING. For a few degrees of crankshaft rotation at the end of the exhaust stroke and beginning of the intake stroke, both the intake and exhaust valve are slightly open, this is called valve overlap. Overlap uses the speed of the exhaust gas as a "vacuum" to help draw a fresh intake charge into the cylinder, the faster the exhaust gas speed, the more vacuum you have to stronger draw more of an intake charge into the cylinder. This results in an increase in both horsepower and torque.

And if it is applied to the pipe PROPERLY, it looks great!!!  ;D




"Also the bolts..?"
i think flue gas connection is the word take some measurements about the exhaust temperature or emissions analysis of exhaust gases per cylinder!

And PROPERLY, also this looks great!!!  ;D

Excellently explained for a non native English speaker - Thanks Enzo.... :)

The material must be quite special to be able to withstand the high temperatures. In theory, would the performance effect be improved if the entire exhaust length was wrapped? Maybe that's what has been done?

It must have been on your car that I saw this modification first..... :)

Hi Kevin,
thanks i know what someone mean with his questions but it's difficult to write the right letters in english,
so i use Google translator and i did copied some answer from World Wide Web!
thank goodness for this invention.  ;D
so i can also write Yagmur in Turkey  :D

Enzo  ;) 

second part from exhaust modified

some work on the engine with some new spare parts!

Nice setup with the radiator? Can I ask what's it off?

Cheers

Samuel

some work finished in the engine bay!

What are the plugs in the exhaust manifold for?
cool project well done!

If you go back to the last page .... I asked the same question Nick - Seems to be about taking temperature readings from inside the pipework..... :)

some progress! and also nice solution for the radio bay!

exellent  ;)

here some progress!
he decide to purchase CD 66 and here the result!

here some carburetor work!  :)

some progress self made throttle cable and lever!

and the first pictures out of the workshop, i think it looks good in the sun!  :)

BTW: Theo is it better to move it to project corner! there are a lot of interesting pictures!

roll bar build copied from an OMP but better welded!

and with some modification in the car!

first seat test looks not so bad!

Enzo - I have sent you a PM  :)

some progress!
and now it needs some door and window seals
to be continued  ;)

and yes ...
he seeks what everyone is looking  :P
and me too  ;D

you also, than here is an address:
http://www.staufenbiel-berlin.de/
click "Zum Online Katalog" and give an look on catalog page 13!
i hope this helps.

Enzo  ;)

http://www.classiccar-trim.com/phdi/p1.nsf/supppages/eastkent?opendocument&part=9

sorry guys, I misunderstood where you misunderstood,
I thought that looked for 2 door ;)
why I say this, too  ;D

seals are arrived and now the work can go on!

 :)

now the doors are ready to come back into the car.

some solutions! not so bad.
i like it.

and the rear bonnet solution! 

 ;)

Now it's finished and also the first rollout is done!   :)

congrats to the builder!
he start the project 4 years ago,
very impressed work from 4 door to 2 door Abarth.

enjoy the ride Knubbl  ;)

hi all

would there be a person or a professional who is able to do this work of modification? from 4 door to 2 door, just change pillars B and C?

in France or not far from France

if you have all the spare parts it will be not a big problem for a body shop!
but the parts will be the problem!  :-\

hi Enzo
I have the pieces, I just have to prepare them,
here, the body shops are not interested in this kind of work ... no time ... not interested ... or to make you flee, a price that comes out of the eyes!
France is well known for its loafers!
I think I can do this job, but it's the lack of time ...

Same problem in all west Europe, many mechanics aren't skilled enogh to do metal work, so to do it better charge so much they don't get the job!!.they only interested in changing to a new fender/wing...

I know of a few who took their cars to Poland, where there still is some skilled old mechanics who know how to do metal work on a car!!

Cheers Alf

It's exactly that !!

if you find one that tells you yes, even paying too much, you're not sure that the work is well done!

in Poland ... not at all near my home !!!

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