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« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2009, 08:26:16 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2009, 08:28:14 PM »

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« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2009, 09:09:48 PM »

OZ Mick.
Havent had chance to check spark quality etc,
ie; Miro's list of checks i hope to get it sussed out this week comeing getting time is my issue due to work.
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« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2009, 11:18:04 PM »

Ok been out in garage took off the leads one by one and checked spark quality against the block on all and they were fine.Good spark.
Cleaned out carb with Carburator cleaner spray.followed instructions on can word for word.
Checked all earth wire connections- fine battery connections also fine.
Cleaned all the leads with de greaser and dried off.Checked ht lead against block -fine
cleaned out dist cap.-Cleaned out spark plugs and re fitted.
Adjusted the idling speed and mixture adjustments on the carb as described in
PAGE 61 (Idling speed and mixture adjustments with out a co meter) (Chapter 3) Haynes Manual.
Waited till engine had cooled down and went for the start procedure nutrual clutch in press gas pedal hold in release start. And h*ll's bells it started first time.Did this a few times and every time i shut her down before restart.I held down gas pedal to activate the auto choke and she started.Even went out earlier and again it worked Smiley Smiley Smiley.I am waiting for the snow 2 pi** off and the salt on the roads as to get to the garage and double check mixture on diagnostics co2 and get  the timing checked. Also with regards to the warm start as long as i give the gas pedal 2 quick pumps when turning over she starts .......................
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« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2009, 11:25:00 PM »

Sounds like you're getting there; good job.   Wink  Let us know how things are when the snow melts and you can go for a drive.  Cheesy
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« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2009, 11:33:32 PM »

Tomorrows project is sortin out that tee peice going to speek to a plumber i know to make one up.
 and connect the half inch crankcase pipe and 6mm pipe of the carb with the urban filter fitted to the top of the tee.
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« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2009, 11:42:13 PM »

That should look good but just making a small hole in the 1/2" pipe and sticking in the 6mm pipe is simple and should work well; the soft rubber of the 1/2" pipe will seal well round the 6mm pipe. If you decide to do that, do it very close to the Urban breather filter so if at a later time you decide to change things, you should be able to simply cut off the end of the 1/2" pipe to eliminate the hole you made.
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« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2009, 11:50:38 PM »

Ok Theo.
Thanks for info.........
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« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2009, 12:02:25 AM »

Hey congratulations !

Good job, !

Now i would still verify if the coil you using is the kind matching you ignition.

Miro
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« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2009, 12:04:54 AM »

Miro.
Not to sound stupid again but how do i confirm that.
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« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2009, 12:30:56 AM »

One last general ? for the night the 131 Mirafiori sport data book states, recomends amongst others the Champion N 7 Y Plug i have orderd Champion N6YC plugs i take it they will work fine and better than the NKG plugs i have.
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« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2009, 01:00:27 AM »

Yes N6Y (N6YC, N6YCC) are the right plugs for the 131 Sport. I am sure that's what the original publications used to say with N7Y offered as an alternative "in certain countries". I seem to remember Sweden mentioned. When Champion changed to copper core plugs (that's the 'C') they reduced their range of plugs as the heat range of copper core plugs is wider. Having owned at least one 131 Sport since 1982,  I've used many different plugs in the 131 Sport engine and found the Champion N6Y (or copper core N6YC or double copper N6YCC) to be the best while the Bosch W200T30 were the worst. Having said that, I now have Bosch Super-4 W56 plugs in my 131 Sport and they seem to be OK. But I recently bought some Champion N6YC plugs on ebay (arrived today in fact) so I'll be going back to them at the next service in preparation for 3ma10  Cheesy
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« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2009, 01:04:48 AM »

Ok,

you have Bosh system type 0.227.100.014 electronic ignition. This is the right type for your engine type. It is generally considered indestructible !

The coil should be of the following specifications :

Ohmic resistance of primary winding : 1,2-1.6 ohm
Ohmic resistance of secondary winding : 6000 - 10000 ohm

It should be a bosh type: 0.221.122.012

Your coil has to have type nu,ber and you should be able to check for equivalents on the net.
I am sure someone this forum knows other coils that meet the Bosch requirements. I dop not know this.  


The whole system consist of these elements :

- electronic module Bosch type 0.227.100.014 (you have that)
- distributor  Bosch 0.237.001.002 (it is most likely you have the right distributor but do check the markings. NOTE:  do not remove the distributor from the block -
- ignition coil Bosch 0.221.122.012 (check the markings and look up on the internet for equivalents)
- resistor ( 9 ohm +/- 0.05 ohm)  Bosch type 0.227.900.002  I have not seen this part on yourt pictures and it is really very important .    

It is available from Bosh ( look in the on line catalog (link below)

http://ecat-online.bosch.de/toc/en/0000ef9JJ-_JAhxQ-fa2x1ZrNA2:-1.srv?view=VIndexFramesetJsp

You need to do a bit of searching for the coil , but you should be able to find one on the net , here is what i found :

http://cgi.ebay.fr/Bobine-%E9lectronique-allumage-Simca-Talbot-Matra_W0QQitemZ320450711673QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20091127?IMSfp=TL091127188001r6260

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« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2009, 01:12:37 AM »

Most (all?) UK 131 Sports I have seen have the Magnetti Marelli system so I don't know much about the Bosch system. I do, however, have this Bosch system fitted to both my Gamma and my Trevi. It's a strange system as it uses a ballast resistor for the coil but does not have the usual bypass to the ballast resistor during engine cranking. So the coil is permanently running on a reduced voltage. If the coil was replaced for a 'standard' 12V coil, then this ballast resistor will not be needed and the system will still work fine. As there seems to be a strong spark and the car now also seems to start easily I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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« Reply #44 on: December 22, 2009, 01:17:16 AM »

I tend to agree , as long as the spark is strong at both high and low rpm, but other have different opinion about the resistor.

see: http://www.guy-croft.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1911&p=10108&hilit=bosch+ignition#p10108

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