ebay..Abarth Fiat 131 GP4 INLET Manifold 44 IDF Weber Carbs

[daverwd]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Abarth-Fiat-131-GP4-INLET-Manifold-44-IDF-Weber-Carbs-/251174339012?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3a7b2841c4

Saw these on ebay maybe of some interest to someone on here..

[mirafiori76]

Not a lot of members here have a 16V engine in their cars. I have, but i prefer the Kugelfisher. It's right to be manufactured at this very moment 

[miro-1980]

A grain o0f salt ...

Great piece of history, but even if it is complete and undamaged I would expect that it would need to be completely rebuild which would add another 400GBP  min to the cost .... If parts are missing or damaged the cost might be prohibitive.  Note that the seller is not describing the condition of the carbs at all.

The likely total cost could run as much as 1200 GBP...

Miro

[106usj]

That's why this forum is such a good source of information and due to such lucky people who own and know Abarth 131's inside out such as miro enzo and mirafiori76 People who are not so informed in the Abarth field will or should not get ripped off with items for sale  

[mirafioriman]

Are IDFs very different to DCOEs then? You can surely overhaul a pair of carbs for less than ?400?

[106usj]

I don't think IDF carbs in general cost any more than dcoe's to rebuild but as far as I know the set up for sale are quite rare due to the manifold and the 44's would have been set up for the Abarth 131 and will probably come with an Abarth repair price tag  

[mirafiori76]

Some addition to this one:

First thing. I was a proud owner of a 131 Abarth Stradale with this kind of set-up. The carburators, i mean. Weber 50 MM's. No airfilter, just pipes. A hell of a noise it gave and much louder than the exhaust   Looking again at the advert of this inlet manifold learns me that it's much longer than mine was. The difference is high power in higher revs. Therefor, this set-up is for real racing. As we all know Fiat engines produce maximum power in high revs.

Second. Abarth 16 V inlet manifolds are made for 50 mm carburators. Why are there 44 MM's fitted? This is no good for racing in higher revs. The engine will not deliver it's maximum.

Third. IDF's are down draft carburators. DCOE's are side draft. The last named are the best because airflow is more straight. But due to lack of space many times IDF's are used.

Fourth. I have no insight at costs to overhaul this offered set. It depends on it's state. Most important; how are the throttles? If they are worn then it will cost a lot. The carburators are lost maybe. Hard to tell.

Fifth. If you don't have a 16 V head, don't buy it. The manifold is of no use. It won't fit an 8 V head. There's only about 20 % alike between 8 V engines and 16 V engines. I know, because i build one myself.

Lastly. I'm sure there's someone who can add something to my posting here  

[106usj]

  I'm almost sure you have covered most of the info you probably have more knowledge than most on anything Abarth related.
The way I look at price is IDF's or idf manifolds for the 131 even in 8v form don't come up for sale that often and dcoe's and dcoe's manifold's are on ebay almost every week.

[mirafiori76]

DCOE manifolds are mostly from Ritmo/Strada 130 TC Abarth"s. The IDF manifolds are from 124 Spider/125. There are two different manifolds for IDF: 40 or 45 mm.
The reason for there being more DCOE manifolds is that that are more produced.
They fit every TC engine. But they don't always fit inside the engine bay. RHD cars will have no problem, but LHD cars do. Due to the brake servo.

I once fitted the DCOE set-up in my LHD Panorama. It worked great, but i couldn't use an airfilter. Sadly i have no pictures from this.

Again, if you don't have a 16 V engine, don't buy the one offered here. There are plenty other carburators available.

[jasonh131]

They are still rare as rocking horse s*** and when will a manifold come up again ,suit simon 's down to a tee and look so good under the bonnet or in the loft ...
  And not a water heated manifold so easy swop back and forth in an hour 
 go on simon just think of that roar for 3 months then swop them back  .

[mirafiori76]

One small adition about this manifold. When fitted there will be no place for the brake servo    This means one should fit two seperate systems for the brakes. Like the ones on my car for example. I have 2 Girling brake cilinders. One for front brakes and one for the rear. This also means a complete different or altered pedal box.

[jasonh131]

 I had a long reach manifold like this ,although an 8 v and swept bach it was still the same distance and used standard servo set up.




  BUT IS RHD DRIVE     doh....
  and heres smothing realy bonkers



 for twin su's or strombergs

[Thotos]

used standard servo set up.

But you had a car with the steering wheel on the correct side of the car and not the right side of the car  So your servo was not on the same side as the carburettors.

[Robert]

I once fitted the DCOE set-up in my LHD Panorama. It worked great, but i couldn't use an airfilter. Sadly i have no pictures from this.

Well, I do have pictures of this setup in my car, used from 2003 until 2009. The air filter, however, consisted only of mesh wire, and the trumpet for cylinder #4 had to be modified.



So this is possible, even with the steering wheel on the correct (Continental) side 

[joan131]

It is just like the one I use on my 16v unit with 44 idf carburetors.